I guess it's time

[Vantol]

Because not everyone actually thought xi was better? I absolutely hated the combat system, the pace and the fact that everything in the game is obfuscated. I'm not alone in that, I even know people that played it for years that feel the same way.

So, like everyone here likes to say - maybe this game just isn't for you? And it's time to move on?

[Deathgiver]

So, like everyone here likes to say - maybe this game just isn't for you? And it's time to move on?

Who said I don't like this game? I said I hated XI. You're the one saying we need to change the game now to something else not me.

[Vantol]

Who said I don't like this game? I said I hated XI. You're the one saying we need to change the game now to something else not me.

Because this game is not true FFXIV. Not what we have been promised by Tanaka and then by Yoshida. Not the salvation we were seeking for.

After all this betrayal we just want to get what we deserve, and that's all.

[NaesakiAshwell]

Because this game is not true FFXIV. Not what we have been promised by Tanaka and then by Yoshida. Not the salvation we were seeking for.

After all this betrayal we just want to get what we deserve, and that's all.

This is a rather melodramatic response.

Calling this whole situation a betrayal is seriously over the top / blown out of proportion.

The fact they even remade the game from the ground up in the first place when they could have just closed up shop and left it as a dead project is hardly a betrayal.

As for the current state of the game, there's plenty of work that needs to be done for sure but the way people are asking for it or just the way you're expecting it all to be done right now is just silly.

The only way to really expect any major changes now is to await 4.0, you might say its not a solution but a lot of the game changing solutions people are clamouring for, they can't just squeeze that in during the pre-expansion patch cycle.

Redesigning the entire game again before a major expansion is highly unlikely and downright insane to even remotely ask for.

[Maxipep]

He's online now so it looks as though he has decided to stay.

[Alaltus]

The fact they even remade the game from the ground up in the first place when they could have just closed up shop and left it as a dead project is hardly a betrayal.

They didn't remake the game for free, they took their fan's money to do it. The fans they then chose to ignore in beta and beyound in favour of chasing Wow's subscriber base. Which even after all this they have failed to do. I think alot of us would be happy with just having an acknowledgement of the issues and a nod that they will work on fixing those issues as they move forward.

[Velhart]

They didn't remake the game for free, they took their fan's money to do it. The fans they then chose to ignore in beta and beyound in favour of chasing Wow's subscriber base. Which even after all this they have failed to do. I think alot of us would be happy with just having an acknowledgement of the issues and a nod that they will work on fixing those issues as they move forward.

Last I recall on the beta forums the general feedback was positive and more negativity on the technical side. And the threads actually arguing that its not 1.23/FFXI, Yoshi-P gave a really long post in why the direction they went in is better in the long run than the one set in 1.0 and it made complete sense.

Also, SE took a major gamble recreating the game mostly from the ground up and did put them even more in the red till the game was a success and their arcade sales both putting the company back in the green. I doubt they funded the game with 6-months worth of subscription money from the roughly 10-20k people who actively played 1.0 during that period.

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I can respect your attempt to keep the peace, but if you had not seen the history of these forums. Asking for any remote form of change leads to a discussion like this. I am clearly guilty of throwing gas into the fire, but you shouldn't be disappointed in how it turned out. You want change, you got people talking. Granted, the bad ideas outweigh the good ones in here, but that is how this forum in particular works.

[Ryel]

Last I recall on the beta forums the general feedback was positive and more negativity on the technical side. And the threads actually arguing that its not 1.23/FFXI, Yoshi-P gave a really long post in why the direction they went in is better in the long run than the one set in 1.0 and it made complete sense.

Would you mind linking this statement or at the very least quoting it? Because i can remember the opposite with a large amount of backlash in response to the "dumbing down" of certain systems and the nerfing of early game beta content on the forums even on non battle activities like the changes to fishing.

Many of these forum threads and official interviews promised features or changes to make up for many of these issues in the first expansion (Heavensward) and now that we're nearing the end of that expansion there are a lot of things that were on the table that we've yet to hear anything about, were dropped, or were changed entirely.

Game content like hamlet defense and chocobo escorts that we had in 1.0 (supposed to be readded as fates but weren't really) or systems like add-on support, FC primal summoning, FC alliances or heck even job additions like new summons for summoner were scrapped entirely in favor of "egi glamours" which have been delayed multiple patches in the name of balance.

So i would be curious where the better direction statement comes from, additionally Yoshida being the producer/director of the game isn't going to come out and say that the product is inferior or that the direction is worse than that of it's competition, even if that competition is produced by the same company, he may admit certain mistakes in development philosophy and how they plan to adjust it going forward but that's about the extent of it.

[Velhart]

That's why when you come to doctor he says: "You have cancer, but it would take too much resources and time to cure you. If at all. So ... welp, next one please". The situation with this game and what you suggest is identical.

And what is so wrong about wanting this game to become FFXI-2 at least, if it was better in every imaginable way (except graphics obviously)?

Anyway, many good suggestions very made. We must choose with what we should begin, and as FallenArisen before said:

The best way to implement this would be raising itemlevel only once in expansion maximum (better even less). Even if it means no patches during whole year, so be it.

And here we have our prime example. Also, really bad analogy.

So, like everyone here likes to say - maybe this game just isn't for you? And it's time to move on?

Uhmm, shouldn't this be the other way around? We are fine with the game(for the most part), you are the one wanting it to be something it isn't. Maybe time for you to move on?

[Moomba33]

By all accounts XI and XIV appeal to different audiences.
I personally had no interest in XI since from what I read it sounded tedious and that it took ages to make any progress.

I'd rather that XIV stay the way it is with quick and frequent upgrades. I certainly wouldn't be happy with using the same equipment for years on end or spending months farming for one piece.