Would you like an in-game parser?

[Reynhart]

Yes, still... people think just because I could run a parser I'm automatic an asshole.

Of course not.

Let's say you're not an asshole. Since you obviously want a parser, let's assume you use one. You see some DPS lacking, but you don't call them out, or if you do, you do that politely. If they give you a parser, it won't change anything for you or for those parsed by you.

Now, let's say you're an asshole (Which you're not, because if you were, we'd probably stopped this discussion a long time ago). You're still under the assumption of using an unofficial parser and you see some DPS lacking. You still don't call them out, because parsing is not officially permitted and you don't want to risk being reported. If they give you a parser, suddenly, you're allowed to express all your asshole-ry on those DPS. That's a change, but not a very nice one, in my opinion

[Seraphix2407]

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Yeah, well I do tell people how they perform if I know them. I rarely do it with randoms and If I do it's being polite. I'm not worried being banned if I'm polite about it. I would worry more about those with bad attitude saying they don't give a damn and having a shitty toxic attitude, those people should worry not me. If anything, there are many people who uses parsers but rarely calls out it out, so if a parser was going to happen officially, I don't think 90% of the community would turn into some jackass.

I think many would finally see why they arent in groups and many would also be super happy about their improvement. Just because few guys been assholes about it, doesn't mean you should outcast the ones who aren't as bad as them. If that's it's all about, then I might as well refuse to help people because there is a big majority that do whatever they want and refused to take help, should they ruin it for everyone who actually want help? Don't think so

What are you talking about? I'm pro-parser. I have always been pro-parser. I'm also not bad at the game. I think you got really confused at some point and lost what I was trying to say....

I just read it all again>> and I feel like a fool hahaha. I'm so sorry. Being half asleep in bed with the laptop doesn't help (which is anwyays a bad excuse) But yeah. I agree with alot of what you said, what I did however was to read it the wrong way. But yeah the toxic already exist so parsers wont make it any worse. So yeah, but my question still goes on, to those who are againt's parsers. Again I'm sorry!

[Reynhart]

I think many would finally see why they arent in groups and many would also be super happy about their improvement.

One thing I wonder, and I know I'll probably sound like a broken record, but, are those people using SSS already ? That would already allow them to see a small progress for every bit of gear or skill.
And if they don't, is it ignorance or just disinterest ?
And if it's disinterest, would a parser suddenly change that ?

The flip side of this is that the parser would be readily available to everyone (my key argument to allow parsers is regarding PS4 players), so the DPS in question would know their DPS ahead of time (hopefully) and can improve based on that.

They can already roughly judge their DPS. I'm not sure they really need 0.01 precise number to have an idea of their skill range.

[Lambdafish]

If they give you a parser, suddenly, you're allowed to express all your asshole-ry on those DPS. That's a change, but not a very nice one, in my opinion

The flip side of this is that the parser would be readily available to everyone (my key argument to allow parsers is regarding PS4 players), so the DPS in question would know their DPS ahead of time (hopefully) and can improve based on that. In an ideal world this would radically shift the community mentality to one where we enforce the fact that DPS numbers matter in a game where ultimately DPS NUMBERS DO MATTER.

Bottom line is that we are divided because the game teaches players that they can play how they want and that numbers shouldn't matter, but then enforces the opposite by having DPS checks and strict enrages.

I'm not denying that assholes won't abuse the system, but in my opinion that is better than confusing and misinforming players into a false sense of skill just so they can feel good about themselves, because doing that actually creates more assholes on both sides than allowing a parser.

[Kaurie]

Let's say you're not an asshole. Since you obviously want a parser, let's assume you use one. You see some DPS lacking, but you don't call them out, or if you do, you do that politely. If they give you a parser, it won't change anything for you or for those parsed by you.

What makes you think that?

They can already roughly judge their DPS. I'm not sure they really need 0.01 precise number to have an idea of their skill range.

They really can't.

[Ciri_Wolf]

TIL: every single person who doesn't want parsers are lazy and don't put out high numbers.

[Khalithar]

Lot of vitriol in this thread, while I still support parsers http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...04#post3699204

There is one comment from an earlier poster I noticed (can't remember who so if it was you I give credit to you) about a concern about the formation of a dps/numbers obsessed community and that is most definitely not an invalid concern and the sort of risk you take once parsers are fully allowed. SE has been very consistent about not wanting to tell the players the actual calculations of all the parts of the damage calculations, a stark contrast to WoW that tells the players absolutely everything about the the calculations and numbers so the players can max out their performance and it does quickly become a "thing" where everyone will change to whatever the best spec is (and there is ALWAYS an optimal dps spec, MMO's are and will always be nothing but number generators with a fancy UI) even for a theoretical 1% increase.

However, I don't necessarily see that becoming an issue with this game and I will tell you why. There is no ambiguity on specializations or different builds in this game, every class has exactly one and only one rotation they can do to achieve maximum dps and (outside of mch, brd, and drg to a lesser extent) there is very little rng or randomness to the optimal DPS rotations. Once you know what that optimal rotation is, a parser just tells you how well you're able to execute that rotation in a combat scenario with actual mechanics and things to dodge or moving enemies.

[Reynhart]

Once you know what that optimal rotation is, a parser just tells you how well you're able to execute that rotation in a combat scenario with actual mechanics and things to dodge or moving enemies.

There's more to "how well you're able to execute that optimal rotation in a parser". Once you are level 60, your rotation doesn't change regardless of your gear. For example, if a tank likes to play safe and stack parry (Whatever usefulness it has is another topic entirely), then the parser will show lower numbers compared to other tanks. If that tank managed to beat SSS with that setup and tanks perfectly, then, there is nothing wrong about him. BUT his lower number can harm its progression in a damaged obssessed group.

You know, like back in Novus time, where you were garbage if you didn't speced full Det/Crit even if it cost millions.

Another thing I fear is the dreaded "opener". You see lots of videos showing xxxx DPS opener, with very short duration parse. If, for some reason, your opener is not optimal, people can judge you within a minute of the duty, even before anyone will have the opportunity to deal with any mechanics. And yes, I've seen such "Oh, you're doing xxxx DPS on your opener it's good/bad..."

[Krissey]

At the end of the day I'm choosing a job that is known to have the lowest DPS for a main and I'm not worried about it. Why? Because Bard is FUN. I enjoy the songs and the support and using my songs appropriately because support is fun. So even though I'll pull lower numbers than others, and even though I parse and others secretly do too, I'm not worried because songs are fun.

[MeiUshu]

I would remind people that as long as you dont say you use a parser SE doesnt care so people who want one can have it they just have to be silent about it ans draw their conclusions based on their analyze .. dont see the need to have one advertised by SE.