Would you like an in-game parser?

[Irving]

And I do believe this post deserves mentioning again given it's gotten buried in this thread.

QFT

Seeing if you have the gear and rotation to down a dummy in a set amount of time with no mechanics?
Yeah thats a good use to see if you have the baseline to ENTER content.

Seeing if you can apply your rotation and knowledge of mechanics in a cohesive manner so that you can clear said content without hitting your personal or others dps too much?
This is where you MIGHT want a parser to help you, or friends out.

[Seraphix2407]

And I do believe this post deserves mentioning again given it's gotten buried in this thread.QFT

I have replied to that I believe. Or atleast to that person. But saying every content has been beaten without parser is a bit... weird to say no? Many groups beat it with parsers. Usually those who don't have one probably in the group or simply those who are way behind on content. Overgear, 1-2 patches later or simply have people have overgear and ''carry'' them.


The top groups or even midicore groups beat things for a reason, because they play well, they adjust and love to get better. When you play something isn't it a part of being better or you just want to sit on your ass expecting things to come to you without trying? Todays problem with society is everyone want's things for free and you have to socialy accept if some people wont adjust themselves in terms of attitude AND getting better in things they are doing. So you have to becareful telling people the truth or it hurts. Sad? But it's true. If I farm content, I expect everyone to do well. One person being 500-600 behind on dps and getting ''free'' kills isn't something I put on my wish list. There is a difference beating things within idk few weeks doing contents? Or primals within a few days,while people who are stupidly overgeared and still can't do it. I've seen enrages on seph and many are over 230 with 230 weapons. It's a bit silly. Much as I love to help people improve it's hard to help when they are all in denial.

Seeing if you have the gear and rotation to down a dummy in a set amount of time with no mechanics?
Yeah thats a good use to see if you have the baseline to ENTER content.

Seeing if you can apply your rotation and knowledge of mechanics in a cohesive manner so that you can clear said content without hitting your personal or others dps too much?
This is where you MIGHT want a parser to help you, or friends out.

Many don't get that. If you do for example 1750 on a seph dummy for example, and if you drop down to 1k in the actual fight, then it's no exuse than getting better. Problem is many REFUSES to see the big picture. It's funny how true this one person said in this thread. Many anti parsers want's to help but how excactly will a person play better? Yeah they can improve but having a tool for that, what parser is doing would help them a lot more as a player!

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Random stat breakdown time (take with a grain of salt as this a small and limited sample size):

Just wanted to point out you have no reason to assume that some votes for a personal parser aren't also coming from those that don't want parsers. I voted for no parsers, but I also voted for personal parsers only, and only if it ABSOLUTELY had to happen in some form.

[Cherie]

I understand a big part of the parser debate is people fear getting harassed by people. I can understand that being a big deal. If we don't have parsers it's hard to tell when someone is harassing you by not trying their best or maybe just standing around for long bits not doing anything. Maybe it would be easier to notice if you were also were standing about, but you are trying your best and working hard so maybe you don't notice them.

People currently harass me in duty finder because we lack parsers (though not at all the time). I could see why people hope we get them soon. Mostly it's just when I play a bard or maybe heal. They say that because they are a non-support(or heal) job that their dps is automatically superior and that I am worthless if things aren't going very well. They do this unsolicited quite often even if I only talk with emotes! \(-.-)/ It would be funny if parsers are released and they see that a bard(or healer) can do more damage than they are. How ironic that would be! This is just my experience though. Your mileage may vary!

I know I'm not the best but I would prefer people to have some metric to judge me by! I know a SE made parser might not be a perfect way to judge people but if the devs do add one it is a nice tool to have. Right now, in duty finder, people just arbitrarily judge people by their class or by the gear or some other random thing (whatever suits their argument). If it's less random that would make me happy. :3 It means I could make a difference in their judgements if I try hard and maybe people that aren't doing as well wouldn't yell at me. I am the silent duty finder participant. ^-^/ ♥ I like to just do my job, get my tomes, and go home. I have no need for big chats during duties... Ty for your time reading! ^^

[Seraphix2407]

It's silly people care. However there is a big difference being afk and try hard as you can. Too many sadly are ''afk'' and do nothing, which sucks. I mean it's silly people care about dungeon or 24 man raid numbers, but also I think many just have a opinion on it as well (including myself) If you were in my party trying I wouldn't give a damn about your dps, coz you tried and many time's I've done more than tank and both dps as a healer. But I don't tell them, their job is to dps and they did it. However casting ice 24-7 isn't something you should do. But when you are in a extreme primal or raid then there is a different tone, people have to play very good to do their job optimized. It sucks you get harrased in duty finders in roulettes or 24 man but keep in mind, there are assholes in any form and there are plenty of assholes who refuses to listen and waste people's time just to piss them off. But I'm glad you see some positive sides even tho it have given you alot of negative ones in roulettes for example.

[Ghishlain]

Just wanted to point out you have no reason to assume that some votes for a personal parser aren't also coming from those that don't want parsers. I voted for no parsers, but I also voted for personal parsers only, and only if it ABSOLUTELY had to happen in some form.

This true too. I'll probably update my post on the previous page to reflect this once Rwarz answers since there's no point to do it if that's not his intent xD

*Wonders how many people trolled the poll by voting for all there* /think

[Laerune]

Hmmmmm.... I have been thinking, maybe SE could release a ingame poll, like they did during BETA? The amount of players on the forum is nothing compared to the current active FFXIV players, so why not reach them ingame and ask them what they want?
Add the options:

1. NO PARSER
2. PERSONAL PARSER
3. PARSER THAT EVERYONE CAN SEE

If majority of players want a personal parser, then they will only add a personal one, if majority want no parsers at all, they will add no parsers to the game, etc. They should send this to all DATA CENTERS, this way SE gets direct feedback. Worst case scenario for the ones that want parsers, is that they need to use ACT instead of a ingame one.

What do you guys think of this suggestion?

Now to the second issue. Parsers give players a advantage, AST having one means they can direct the right cards to the right players. If SE wants to give parsers, how can they be fair about the way of adding this. I dont think PS3 can have parsers and I am not sure about PS4, but untill they can make it so adding parsers means every player can use, I dont think adding one is fair.

Still SE has a way to get direct feedback and they did this before during the BETA, so I reckon players should request them to send a ingame poll and accept the outcome if its what they wanted or not, because in the end what 5% of the players want, should not impact the other 95%.

[Animarelic]

I started a weekly Vlog on FFXIV and one of this week's topic was about this very subject. I tried to be as objective as I could adding views of all 3 sides, those for public parsers, private parsers and those who don't want them at all. https://youtu.be/X96f9A2EHuM

[Reynhart]

maybe even 1.0. Maybe they came from WoW. Maybe they came from XI.

Actually, 1.0 and XI communities were not like that. But maybe it's because they were united against a common enemy...the game itself

What a parser would make is certainly not improve the community, and, probably make it worse.

But, as I said, allow each player to chose. Make an option to hide or show your damage for parsers.

[Reiryuu]

But, as I said, allow each player to chose. Make an option to hide or show your damage for parsers.

but that wouldn't work because those who want parsers to judge others will say "Oh! You're not allowing parser to parse you! You must SUX0RZ!!11! We not want you, turn on parsers or /kick plzkthx."