What incentive do you need to stay?

[lolirocco]

We all know the struggles of the Party finder. Hate, rage and impatience are just a few phases before a small chance of luck and happiness.
Now imagine you are not even joining that PF for yourself but for a friend.
If things go wrong and they will... Do you suck it up?
Do you speak up when someone is "doing it wrong"? If so, when and how do you approach them?
Maybe you have a mental illness and just want to finish what you started?
Great! If you answered yes to all of the above, I want to know WHY.

I am looking to start a linkshell for people who have done their homework can count on the fact that others from this linkshell have at least done the same before attempting the fight. They will then be supported by experienced players in order to eventually secure a win.

[lolirocco]

The idea is not only to train new players, but make sure MORE people get into raiding and make it more accessible. This sounds like a lot of peace and love in a world called Eutopia though. I realise this might will not always work without the right incentive for these seasoned adventurers. This could be combined with some sort of point system and additional rewards next to what the game offers...
For this reason I'm looking for tips to motivate and recruite experienced people to teach and lead new-comers to victory.

tl;dr Do you help new players progress through coil/EX/Gordias and if yes why?
What is your incentive or what would you like to get in return?
Nostalgia?
Loot for glamour?
New friends?
Bonus?
Just for fun?
Gil?

PS: If you are interested, I posted this in my servers forum for recruitment purpose.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...69#post3587069

[Ultear_Milkovich]

Talking about PF only:

If its for a friend i ll stay until he gets his loot or whatever.

If its for myself i ll stay if i sense that i still have something to learn or if i feel like we can do it. But not too long usually.

But if i dont have any particular expectation i ll just leave after the second wipe. Too much things to do.

[lolirocco]

Talking about PF only:
But if i dont have any particular expectation i ll just leave after the second wipe. Too much things to do.

Hey Pandora

Thx, it is a known issue yeah. There is just so much to do that people get opportunistic real fast and think their fortune lies with the next PF or other duties.

Aynway, you said after a second wipe... What if you wiped because of a minor issue? Not because of a massive shitstorm?
If you saw progress, or most of the fight went smooth, would you then try again as long as you believe you might beat it?

Like I said we would expect people to know the fight from guides/solo training. So with the right people supporting that I believe it's only a matter of time to clear...
(Not ALL content obviously but most of it is designed in a way to clear it as long as you know mechanics and beat dps checks...)

[Vidrian]

As still leveling new player, in a 45man guild, I totally support this! Reading Guides for endgame is always basic before attempting, but having people take you with you and understand when you mess up on first try's, would be great. Again: I say: help and possibly guide you. NOT carry me.

[Ultear_Milkovich]

Hey

Hey You raise a good point.

Sure i would stay if people are friendly or having faith / hopes.

The 2 wipes rule tend to apply more for parties who dont commit, dont even say "hi", dps refusing to pop food/pots when dps is blatantly the issue, dont want to use macros if needed (hi ramuh) / not stacking on waymarks for reasons, or full of ppl who dont want to speak english even though this is an english PF etc.

Attitude is everything in PF. I dont have much time to play FF sadly so sometimes i tend to judge the group ( or myself) fast so i can move to something else.

[Ultear_Milkovich]

As still leveling new player, in a 45man guild, I totally support this! Reading Guides for endgame is always basic before attempting, but having people take you with you and understand when you mess up on first try's, would be great. Again: I say: help and possibly guide you. NOT carry me.

For instance sure i would stick with you because you have positive behaviour

[Malzian]

Here's the way I look at it, personally: I'm here to play a game and I'm playing the game to enjoy myself. When I am confronted with a situation that could potentially upset my play I have 1 of 2 possible options: 1.) React viscerally with hate and angst and totally ruin my fun over something on a screen or 2.) Remember it's just a game and I should just let it slide off my back so I can move on and continue having fun somewhere else in the game.

I try to avoid the drama as much as I can (probably why I'm not an end-game raider at this point) and do my best not to put myself into situations where I'm going to get overly frustrated. I also never take the attitude when I'm in group content that the run is all about me. Between these two things I tend to stay fairly level through it all and the only thing that ever keeps me from playing is my own decision not to do so.

[lolirocco]

As still leveling new player, in a 45man guild, I totally support this! Reading Guides for endgame is always basic before attempting, but having people take you with you and understand when you mess up on first try's, would be great. Again: I say: help and possibly guide you. NOT carry me.

I'm sure there any many supporters because they are in the very same situation but they are not always vocal about it!
Do leave your info in the server thread as I see you are Cerberus too! Perfect :-)

[lolirocco]

For instance sure i would stick with you because you have positive behaviour

Ultimately we will have to be selective and recruit only people that have the same positive mentality (new or old players). This will help keep the community healthy and always filled with ex-newcomers now willing to help in return.