[Suggestion] My thoughts on Summoner

[newb]

There have been some good points brought up here and I will attempt to address them later, it would be helpful if people would post more constructive feedback (not the square will listen anyways because we're not JP). As for those who seem to think this is every other complaint thread I think this is quite the opposite as I'm trying to find a solution that I believe would work, even if it is just to get it off my chest.

[Dyvid]

There have been some good points brought up here and I will attempt to address them later, it would be helpful if people would post more constructive feedback (not the square will listen anyways because we're not JP). As for those who seem to think this is every other complaint thread I think this is quite the opposite as I'm trying to find a solution that I believe would work, even if it is just to get it off my chest.

Honestly I've posted my ideas enough times I'm just tired of posting it anymore. Here is a search you can piggy back from: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/s...rchid=40172907

[Spellbinder]

Honestly I've posted my ideas enough times I'm just tired of posting it anymore. Here is a search you can piggy back from: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/s...rchid=40172907

I'll see your search and raise you the (Un)Official Summoner Feedback Thread [3.0 Edition].

Shameless plug (to compile things in one topic) is shameless.

[Xaeth]

I'll see your search and raise you the (Un)Official Summoner Feedback Thread [3.0 Edition].

Shameless plug (to compile things in one topic) is shameless.

While we're at it, I might as well add this thread about the subject: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...SMN-a-role-but...

[liljramos88]

My option would be either make the current Summoner into necromancer fits better btw and Change summon 3 to zombie, make summon 2 to skeleton and summon 3 either a demon or a ghost and make summoner a advance job like Astro,Drk and MCH

[zcrash970]

My option would be either make the current Summoner into necromancer fits better btw and Change summon 3 to zombie, make summon 2 to skeleton and summon 3 either a demon or a ghost and make summoner a advance job like Astro,Drk and MCH

SE would make SCH an extra job before SMN

[darzok]

I don`t think that is needed SCH is in a great place good damage and healing and has no need of a rework or to be made in to its own class.

[liljramos88]

and that would be ok make SCH and extra job and make Necromancer a healer branching from Arcanist. using drain spells.

[Kaurie]

Lets begin with the large underlying problem of summons. They are broken, completely and utterly broken. The concept behind having a tanking option for soloing or for backup on an add in a trial or something is nice but really doesn't end up working well in my opinion. The only times I've ever pulled out Titan have been more or less for jokes or in low level content. Titan-egi aside Ifrit is only useful in niche fights also such as SCOB 4 against the avatar where you have an opponent that doesn't move and will not fire off AOE's that will kill him. Now all we have left is Garuda to fill the ranged archetype and is largely overpowered due to her ability to switch targets and keep damage up along with Contagion. This is all pretty common knowledge but there is a reason for it. What other summons could be possibly have that aren't simply copy/pastes of what we already have just with another skin? It doesn't leave you with many options.

Just a few notes.

1. Ifrit does more DPS than Garuda (yes even when you use contagion properly to extend Tri-Disaster with X-Drac pot+Raging Strikes+Dreadwyrm Trance+Balance), and is generally better to use. It doesn't die to most AoEs in the game either, and is far easier to manage for rouse/spur in larger areas like Void Ark, where you or Garuda may have moved away from each other.

2. Garuda is great when Ifrit does die, the only current fight this happens to me in is A4 - so that is when I bring out Garuda instead

3. I use Titan often for Hunts. You can pretty easily solo full credit by using Titan with rouse/spur/enkindle, as that generates a lot of threat - add that on with tri-d + painflaire/fester/e-drain/deathflare, you can get full credit on hunts that die in under 15 seconds solo.

[Avin00]

So personally I play on a controller, I have a pc I just don't like using a keyboard and mouse for this game. Adding in that many abilities is overkill and serves only to bloat an already very full cross bar. I'm not sure of the distribution of players but I would guess it's something like 60/40 pc/console based on the people I play with. So for SE to add any abilities they would have to either be worth it or replace existing ones to keep the class playable for console/controller players. Saying that I do agree that SMN wasn't what I thought it would be but I remember the Xi SMN being a half rate healer with pets that never got used because they were simply too costly. I do like the current SMN and feel that Ifrit Garuda and Titan all have their uses. I for one prefer Ifrit for most fights including Alex Savage due to the Radiant Shield and the higher dmg output that Ifrit possesses.