[Suggestion] My thoughts on Summoner

[Sarynth]

Smn as is is fine and actually quite fun to play. However after the addition to dreadwyrm trance it would be neat to see egi's scrapped in favor of trance s that allow the smn to use the current pet abilities. That said we're only level 60 so adding all these summons now would make little sense now as we need spells to cover 61-99.

[darzok]

The problem is SMN is not a SMN its a more a Necromancer its a dot based damage class and should just be renamed and then add SMN at a later date as a whole new class.

There is no fixing SMN with out doing a full on rework of the base class and that means fully reworking SCH as well it would be best to just change SMN to Envoker close enough that you would need only change a few lines of text in game and carby would still be fit in with the Envoker.

The best way to fix SMN is to just make it a whole new class and have it be added like DRK/Astro/Mch.

[SnugglesD]

You could have just bumped one of the threads that pop up every single week on this exact topic. You're just beating the proverbial dead horse at this point.

SMN isn't going to change any time soon. You're not going to get giant LB style summon nukes, they're not going to upset the balance of the entire game to bring back the elemental wheel just to make you happy.

What most of the SMN QQ threads want is something that could never be balanced in an MMO. You won't have your single player summoner in FFXIV.

"But we had it in XI!" XI was also one of the least balanced games in MMO history.

Just stop already.

[Velox]

Wow the entitlement is real here.

My question to you people is to define "pet class" using standardized laws that say "all jobs that use pets have to perform a specific way in every MMO, and no company is allowed to re-write their design to better suit the image of said job in their head."

FFXIV summoner was designed how SE wanted it to be designed. Don't like it? Simply don't play it. You are not some appointed authority on class design who can go around saying "you did it wrong SE." There is NO right and wrong, there is just choice.

That doesn't mean you have to happy over the design. Fine, you are unhappy. But don't ask for them to change it for players who actually prefer this job. If you want an FFXI summoner, go play FFXI. I play FFXIV for the FFXIV summoner.

[Xaeth]

Wow the entitlement is real here.

My question to you people is to define "pet class" using standardized laws that say "all jobs that use pets have to perform a specific way in every MMO, and no company is allowed to re-write their design to better suit the image of said job in their head."

FFXIV summoner was designed how SE wanted it to be designed. Don't like it? Simply don't play it. You are not some appointed authority on class design who can go around saying "you did it wrong SE." There is NO right and wrong, there is just choice.

That doesn't mean you have to happy over the design. Fine, you are unhappy. But don't ask for them to change it for players who actually prefer this job. If you want an FFXI summoner, go play FFXI. I play FFXIV for the FFXIV summoner.

I'm sorry but you are 1. A hypocrite and 2. full of it.
This is a thread on the forums discussing constructive ideas and opinions about a class/job we feel is lacking. If you're don't like our opinions then you are entitled to go somewhere else and be unhappy about them.
You are however not entitled to jump into this thread, and tell us that our opinions are unwanted.

I also want to add that your post violates the rules of the forums and if you continue with your harassment, I will report you.

[DarkmoonVael]

I also want to add that your post violates the rules of the forums and if you continue with your slander, I will report you.

Its not slander. Also melodramatics dont help.

And back on topic. OP, I was like you when i first played summoner. I wanted the classic FF summoner i have come to know in previous FF games; that is a magic based class that does spectacular burst dps. But they implemented summoner differently in this game. I like it, especially with the heavensward abilities they introduced to the class. They could do with making the pets feel more important, but the class really doesnt need an overhaul like some are requesting. Summoner has turned out to be probably the most polarising class in terms of opinion, but functionally its a powerful class. There is nothing really fundamentally wrong with summoner except the tying together of SMN/SCH from the same base class.

I can see where your changes are coming from, but respectfully, i like summoner as is.

[Xaeth]

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I'm sorry if I'm being dramatic but in every Summoner Discussion thread I've read, there has been a post which sums up in "Don't like how Summoner is right now? Then shut up or go play another game.", and shit like that don't belong in any forum.
Let's also add that there are people here, including myself, who don't believe that SE will make any changes to Summoner at this point but we like to discuss the idea anyway so the comment that we see ourselves as some appointed authority is straight up BS.

[DarkmoonVael]

I'm sorry if I'm being dramatic but in every Summoner Discussion thread I've read, there has been a post which sums up in "Don't like how Summoner is right now? Then shut up or go play another game.", and shit like that don't belong in any forum.
Let's also add that there are people here, including myself, who don't believe that SE will make any changes to Summoner at this point but we like to discuss the idea anyway so the comment that we see ourselves as some appointed authority is straight up BS.

Fair enough. I was one of the people way back in 2.x wanting summoner changes, mainly splitting it off from Arcanist base class (or SCH) so we didnt have 2 jobs with a fairly similar playstyle, even though one was a healer the other a dps. They seem to have done enough to summoners new skills in 3.0 to actually give it an identity of its own over SCH, so i am pretty content with summoner where it stands now.

[Calypsx]

Incoming personal opinions. I know people like this job and they are allowed to but I'm sure its fine if players express their dislike for it as well. Not like it's going to be changed anyway so you got nothing to worry about when it comes to a few people talking about stuff.

Arcanist should have never been a 2 job class. I feel disease based attacks and such fit Scholar more than Summoner since Scholars lore revolves around researching diseases and finding cures (Also Books were Scholar weapons in FFIII the game they were introduced in). What we got was a very thematically underwhelming job in the process because it had to share skills with its other half. It doesn't feel like a summoner so they totally missed their mark. Because of this I'm not surprised that they aren't going down the 2 job class route anymore. Not only is it very difficult to balance but it might lead to a job feeling like it's tacked on instead of its own thing.

It didn't have to be like XI at all but could they of at least tried to give the feel of a classic summoner? I mean they managed that with every other job (Except possibly Bard but that's a different discussion).

For a safer solution, could they possibly change the skills to feel more summoner and primal like yet keep the same playstyle? It would require changing skill names and spell visual effects when you equip the job crystal but it would at least be a nice nod to those who are looking for something that feels more like a summoner like while keeping the playstyle the same for those who enjoy it.

[MagiusNecros]

Pets simply should have gained new skills at 52, 54, 56, 58, 60. They gained skills as you leveled up to 50. But not up to 60? Nice to know SE gave the Egi's the same distinction as class traits. And the only thing they supposedly have planned for Egi's is Carbuncle glamour? Get out of here with that crap.