But...I...I don't wanna DPS, I'm a healer...

[Ghishlain]

"Adapt to the meta you're given or fall into obscurity"

Yup, continue focusing yourself on metagaming and theory while players give up on the game. Nice, rational choice! Plus, who's going to put me into obscurity? DF players who can't even dodge AoEs right? Oh, I see, that's dangerous. But if you're talking about content where meta game really matters, I really don't care, hardcore is far beyond my line of interest. And it seems it was too for the poor player who got scared by all these people who care more for numbers than for the players confort.

If you're looking for a game with raw and unadulterated necessity of raw HPS, this is unfortunately not the game for that. That's the simple truth of the matter.

As much as I want to encourage the growth of the game, I also don't want people playing something they personally don't enjoy because of the very fact they don't enjoy it. There are other healing metas that are suited for that and perhaps other games that are more suitable.

Will that make our population worse? Definitely. But each individual should try to find a past time that suits them just fine and there will be players that you just can't cater too because of the way the game is designed. That's the unfortunate circumstance of FFXIV Healing and while I absolutely love the choice of being able to mend or maim, I know others do not.

And no, I think the OP left the game because he sampled it, tried to see if he could enjoy it, felt he couldn't and moved on. There's nothing more to it. It's sad to see a player go but I wish him well in his future endeavors in gaming. I don't get the impression he was scared of the people, just didn't enjoy how the healing in this game works. I felt he got the information he required to make an informed and right decision. He wasn't looking for comfort - he was looking for information and made his choice based on that.

Could some posters have been more tactful? Oh yes, that's certainly the case in any of these discussions on both sides of the thread. But that's an unfortunate side effect of posters not filtering for tact on an anonymous message board.

[braneri1]

As I said before the op didn't really care and had given up from post number 1 if you had actually followed this thread fully, it's painfully obvious. But keep believing your little fairy tale you have made about it in order to demonize everyone who doesn't agree with you Fevelle.

It gets rather tiring seeing the same old strawman arguments that have long since been burned to ashes.

[Eii]

hm, well, if you play around with those awesome(ly useless) healing tools you could at least pretend you*re doing smth once in a while.

but yeah, srsly, all in all, playing healer either way is damn boring. and keep in mind that i main a class where "just stand there while mostly doing nothing" is actually the only thing possible because all the battles so hard scripted, you can tank them in controller mode (or playing on a console) without being in the same room or sometimes ppl wont notice if you fall asleep as a tank (they somehow noticed in t11 though, fun times, didnt die, no wipe, but a bit of surprise in their voice xD)
for what i've seen (and experienced), at least as sch, its just the same. only difference is where you stand during the fight/sleep x)

if you ever wondered why ppl say this game bores them. well, now you know...

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

hm, well, if you play around with those awesome(ly useless) healing tools you could at least pretend you*re doing smth once in a while.

And exactly why doesn't this apply to healers who does both healing and DPSing?

[Eii]

well if its a warrior, let him drop to 10%, throw bene, drop him to 10% again, he throws equilibrium and IB and maybe a cd or smth. if equi crits he should be on 70% now, if not, hes on 50. now either let him use second wind (if he doenst have it then 2nd IB) + thrill and hes on 100- 110%; or throw tetra, depending on if you prefer leaving cs or not.
if its a pally. well, pallys shouldnt drop below 50 ever. thats what cds are for. also, hail clemency.
and drk. dunno. somewhere inbetween i think?

all in all: tank hp are a ressource like your piety. if you'll never use them, they're wasted. so dont complain when tanks start to lose some hp in favor for str x)

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

all in all: tank hp are a ressource like your piety. if you'll never use them, they're wasted. so dont complain when tanks start to lose some hp in favor for str x)

What makes you think they already aren't?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...eta-feels-off-
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...s-are-an-issue.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...nking-again%21
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...?highlight=str
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...?highlight=str

HP aside, complete vit specced and geared tanks will have trouble keeping hate off against DPS jobs who are pushing their limits.

[technole]

PLD Clemency is so meh, there is nothing to hail about. Takes too long to cast (3s), costs a lot of MP and likely to get healed before done casting. Sure if there is downtime, but I rather be using hitting Royal Authority to do damage and keep hate. Better yet, be a pro PLD tank puller. Make the biggest pull early, plan to use Hallowed Ground as soon as you can to allow the healer to stay in-stance and get max dps, plus they can prepare whatever healing cooldown to use once it expires. Cooldowns will be back up later, and can even use again or 3x in some settings.

[Eii]

so, you're saying pld cant heal themself besides bloodbath (which is actually meh without overpower/decimate)? but pallys are kinda invincible now. dunno if i should feel bad for them or be relieved. but they definitly dont get enough love these days. which is definitly sad.

Make the biggest pull early

yeah i dont talk about small pulls. ever. its like fairysitters on auto-follow. it happens, but we sure dont accept them as our normal behaviour. that would be sad on its own.

What makes you think they already aren't?

what makes you think i ever may have thought that? (except pre 2.2. we had hopes and dreams back then. yeah RIP tankstats. and for the love of the twelve pls SE stop putting parry on our gear. give us something less useless. like spellspeed or piety, instead ;_; )

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

what makes you think i ever may have thought that?)

I'll just leave this here

all in all: tank hp are a ressource like your piety. if you'll never use them, they're wasted. so dont complain when tanks start to lose some hp in favor for str x)

[Eii]

it was .. well. dunno. an overcomplicated written sentence? i dont think i could tell you right now how that was meant wihtout making it more confusing.
lets try this: it didnt meant to say "well, from tomorrow on..." and more like "if you just ignore this game allready existed long enough and ppl allready played it, and just look at all the things possible and not possible, and just ignore that anyone ever played this game, this is how it would be played if it actually were played"

more confused? i sure am. also, there actually exists a word for this kind of message. i just forgot it. but it was definitly related to rhetoric assumptions. language barrier doesnt help either i guess.


i'm tired now, head spinning, i'm going to sleep now, good night ^^/