A Possible 2 Star Rotation in the Future

[Katlyna]

Oh I see you are trying making the jump to using two full Master Mend's II giving another free step and removing the required cross class skill for Waste Not 2. Its not a bad idea. I guess the question will ultimately be, will the one extra step be worth it over the extra CP you have without. Because you are talking about 160 CP vs 98 = 62 CP difference or 3 precise/basics. Personally I think keeping waste not 2 and pushing in more precise/basics reducing the overall range will result in a slightly higher average HQ rate. But I'm guessing the performance difference would be something like 1-2% difference.

Personally what I'm doing toward the future (and its starting now) is using my MaMa Careful Synth rotation and cycling out Ingenuity 2 for Ingenuity 1 (saving 16 extra CP). Technically I think max CP current CP is 422. I have 420 at the moment and only +3 in my main and offhand weapons (while +4 is the max). So in my case and rotation this frees up one more build in Precise touch putting me at two built in precise with 8 additional hasty attempts.

So in the future that's basically what I'm looking at for quick approach comparisons. How many Hasty attempts are performed and more specifically how may are required succeed at reach 100% HQ @ ~2000 starting quality. Consequently rotations which rely on rapid touch would include the rapid touches as part of the required success rate. I may run the numbers at some point showing this in some rotations and how it lets you calculate average HQ chance of a given rotation. But I'm way too out of it to attempt this right now LOL

[Caimie_Tsukino]

The one thing I hate about WN2 is how we can't freely take any Tricks in there. Where as in this rotation here, we can pretty much take it anywhere we want. This may resolve the CP issue. And the 3 naked CS II become very flexible fillers. But anyway, it's more like theorycrafting atm. It's another theory work of mine that demonstrates why I'm such a CP freak over craft or control, LOL!

[Katlyna]

The one thing I hate about WN2 is how we can't freely take any Tricks in there. Where as in this rotation here, we can pretty much take it anywhere we want. This may resolve the CP issue. And the 3 naked CS II become very flexible fillers. But anyway, it's more like theorycrafting atm. It's another theory work of mine that demonstrates why I'm such a CP freak over craft or control, LOL!

This is exactly what I used to hate about WN2 too. But the problem now is that we don't get many Good/Excellent procs (per Silver the rate is ~1/11). Most MaMa rotations have ~40 steps from start to Byregot's so you can expect 3 to 4 procs. Assuming only 75% of your rotation has places where the proc can be precise touch consumed or ToTed this gives you an average of three usable procs. Assuming only 50% of your rotation has places where the proc can be precise touch consumed or ToTed this gives you an average of 2 usable procs.

So most rotations on average will get between two-three usable good/excellent procs in a given attempt. Because this is silly low waste not II's super high efficiency is winning over. Consequently until the super low proc rate changes, a well used waste not II probably will raise the overall efficiency of the synths quality chances in comparison to a rotation which doesn't use Waste Not II.

That seems to be the prevailing theme I've seen in my rotation average HQ rate analysis.

[Silverbane]

The one thing I hate about WN2 is how we can't freely take any Tricks in there.

Given the apparent 1-in-11 odds of getting a G/E condition, then every extra ToT-taking opportunities should have an incremental cost of 20/11 CP or less. Even then, it's adding more RNG dependence compared to just having the extra CP on hand.

Just thinking out loud here, this line of thought makes me want to explore how to have both more at-start excess CP and more opportunities to take Precise Touch, not ToT, under Steady Hand II (SH2). I am minded of the basic Waste Not II (WN2) sub-rotation:

SH2 WN2 HT HT HT SH2 HT HT HT HT HT

wherein the SH2 HT pair can become PT SH2 if you have 18 extra CP and get a G/E condition at the start of the pair, thus giving G/E exploit opportunities on 8 of the 10 steps of the sub-rotation.

More stuff like that would be nice ...