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    Darxer's Avatar
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    Darx Zap
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    Leviathan
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    Thaumaturge Lv 60

    Brd/Mch was fixed, will BLM be fixed?

    BLM's know what I'm talking about. No need to explain. The complaint/feedback threads appear daily with the listed problems with the job.

    EDIT: Since some people are unaware of the problems. Try to be constructive while you're here or leave.

    -A current cast of F4 and B4 are cancelled if Enochian falls off (costing several seconds of zero DPS aka punishing)
    -F1 costs more MP than F4, meaning if you have to move, you have to cast F1 to keep up AF3, costing more MP and removing a F4 from the rotation (punishing)
    -Thundercloud procs are very often wasted, as there is not enough time in the enochian rotation
    -Using a Thundercloud proc during F4 rotation is a DPS loss
    -Firestarter procs are often wasted, not enough time in enochian rotation
    -Pressing Enochian while the Enochian buff is still on negatively impacts your Enochian buff timer and locks you out of your skills. For instance, pressing Enochian at 1 or 2 second left on the buff, will then "refresh" your buff to 5 or 10 seconds and return on cooldown for the full 60 secs.

    The job should be able to contend with other jobs with movement, but currently movement is actually PUNISHING, when I say punishing I mean reducing DPS by a great amount. Standing still should be rewarding, proper movement while maintaining DPS should challenging, nothing should be punishing. If these problems aren't obvious to you "BLM is fine" people, you're either pretending not to notice or oblivious and do not care about your damage output and contending with other jobs.

    What needs to be fixed? All of the above can be fixed by extending Astral Fire time from 10 seconds to 12-15 seconds, and allowing a cast of F4/B4 to finish if Enochian drops. Boom, job fixed. We are not asking for more damage, we already do great damage, we are not asking for an easier rotation the rotation is already simple, we are not asking for any buffs, we don't need less button presses or a simpler job in general, we are asking for less punishing job features, WE ARE ASKING FOR SIMPLE FIXES TO QUALITY OF LIFE.

    Here are a couple constructive threads that discuss the problems, ways to currently work with them, and potential solutions:
    http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-new-expansion
    http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...age-Calculator
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    Last edited by Darxer; 07-09-2015 at 06:52 AM.

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    UltimateAoe2's Avatar
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    Bard Lv 90
    BLMs need fixing...?


    w-wha.. O_O;

    you probably think "OMG TOO MANY NEW BUFFS/SPELLS PLS I NEED IT SIMPLE"


    yeaaaaaaaaaaahno.
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    Last edited by UltimateAoe2; 07-08-2015 at 04:11 PM.



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    Duelle Urelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by UltimateAoe2 View Post
    you probably think "OMG TOO MANY NEW BUFFS/SPELLS PLS I NEED IT SIMPLE"
    And since when did simple become a bad thing?
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    * The sad thing is that FFXIV turned RDM into a turret, and people think that's what it's supposed to be. It's supposed to combine sword and magic into something more, not spend the bulk of gameplay spamming spells and jump into melee for only 3 GCDs before scurrying back to the back line like good little casters.
    * Design ideas:
    Red Mage - COMPLETE (https://tinyurl.com/y6tsbnjh), Chemist - Second Pass (https://tinyurl.com/ssuog88), Thief - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/vdjpkoa), Rune Fencer - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/y3fomdp2)

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    Faust Eisenhart
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duelle View Post
    And since when did simple become a bad thing?
    It's not! Doesn't mean your class is broken if it's not simple though. I mean, MCH still has weird janky skills that are underpowered(In utility, and I'm cool with the buffs just to clarify) and their utility is sub-par at best, and it's a far cry from simple, but it works.

    I can't claim to know what QoL fixes BLM needs myself though, I haven't levelled one from 50 to 60 yet. So I can't speak on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UltimateAoe2 View Post
    BLMs need fixing...?


    w-wha.. O_O;

    you probably think "OMG TOO MANY NEW BUFFS/SPELLS PLS I NEED IT SIMPLE"


    yeaaaaaaaaaaahno.
    What a useful and constructive post. All you people saying "BLM is fine" need to stop pretending to be tough guys. There ARE issues with the job that can very EASILY BE FIXED. These are quality of life issues, the job is overly punishing for movement and interruptions. Movement used to be just an inconvenience and a challenge, now it's extremely punishing.

    -A current cast of F4 and B4 are cancelled if Enochian falls off (costing several seconds of zero dps aka punishing)
    -F1 costs more MP than F4, meaning if you have to move, you have to cast F1 to keep up AF3, costing more MP and removing a F4 from the rotation (punishing dps)
    -Thundercloud procs are very often wasted, as there is not enough time in the enochian rotation
    -Firestarter procs are often wasted, not enough time in enochian rotation

    These can all be fixed with this:
    Quote Originally Posted by KyteStones View Post
    You should check out the DPS Class Section and not the General Discussion section. There you will find a ton of thread about QoL changes for the BLM. There's a ton that can be done in order to make the class more efficient with out making it OP.

    -extending the timer for Umbral Ice and Astral Fire would greatly fix some issues.
    -Allowing us to finish our cast of Blizzard 4/Fire 4 if we are mid cast when Enochian or Umbral Ice/Astral Fire falls off instead of just cancelling the cast all together.

    That's pretty much it. Would completely fix the class. No damage buffs needed. No other things to be changed. Just 2 simple things.
    For the several people dissing my skills and telling me to L2P. I raid at the highest level on BLM (T13 farm pre-echo), always have, and can easily maintain 900-1100 dps on current encounters. I play the class well, and I can admit the downfalls of the job. You people really need to grow up and be constructive.
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    Thanatos Ravensweald
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    Arcanist Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Darxer View Post
    For the several people dissing my skills and telling me to L2P. I raid at the highest level on BLM (T13 farm pre-echo), always have, and can easily maintain 900-1100 dps on current encounters. I play the class well, and I can admit the downfalls of the job. You people really need to grow up and be constructive.
    Yet you whine and complain in this thread about encounters because the new ones require you to move and pay attention a lot more. You could always betray to MCH or Bard.

    I would just make Surecast not interrupt you like it says it should. Which would make it not interrupt casting when you move.
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    Last edited by Nektulos-Tuor; 07-09-2015 at 05:10 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor View Post
    Yet you whine and complain in this thread about encounters because the new ones require you to move and pay attention a lot more. You could always betray to MCH or Bard.

    I would just make Surecast not interrupt you like it says it should. Which would make it not interrupt casting when you move.
    Please point out where I whined about an encounter. I didn't. I'm posting here to improve the job. I'm trying to help the job. I'm not here to argue like you are. Be constructive or leave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darxer View Post
    Please point out where I whined about an encounter. I didn't. I'm posting here to improve the job. I'm trying to help the job. I'm not here to argue like you are. Be constructive or leave.
    I already was constructive. Unless you ignored my feedback for Surecast, which you seemed to.

    The new zones require a ton more movement then the older ones, which is why I feel like you are making these threads.

    I wouldn't mind however, a buff that lowered all base damage by 30% and allowed you to move and cast.
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    Holly White
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    Black Mage Lv 66
    I don't know what you're talking about. Currently BLM is fine.

    Even with all the new stuff we got. There is only ONE THING we have to manage. And it's easy since everything lines up pretty well.
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    Last edited by o3o; 07-08-2015 at 04:14 PM.

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    Faust Eisenhart
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    BLM is fine, your job wasn't failing DPS checks at maximum potential. Enochian wasn't an active detriment to you.
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