It's time to reevaluate the idea of adding a PLEX/Chronoscroll-like system to FFXIV

[Tiggy]

Like that, except NOT? Can you show me where Yoshi-P stated that housing was meant to be a "reward for massive effort put into gil making"?

He's done a bunch of interviews so I'll try. Might be tough though since there are so many.

Wildstar's problems were that it was a very difficult game aimed at people who like their games to be hard.....

You can not put a failing game on the great example pedastool. It's impossible to separate it's rmt feature from the other problems so we must take the game and its popularity at face value. It did poorly. A good example of sanctioned rmt it in no way makes.

[Priya]

All else aside, this would be way too much pay to win as long as SE includes things like the materia step in the Relic quest. I'd sure as shit pay other people's subs so I don't have to buy or SB materia. I've got more money than gil.

[Juneri]

While I do find some merit in many of your points this would still end up pay to win. There are plenty of people that buy runs and giving them a legitimate way of essentially buying the gil would only make that happen even more.

And while the gil supply might not increase, the concentration of where it is could still cause inflation. The people buying gil could easily push up the prices on a select few items, and when they run out of gil they just sell more game time to the people they bought the stuff of of and the gil would just keep changing hands between very few people essentially locking out most of the rest of the playerbase from those markets.

This might work in EVE where the market is a big big part of the game, but I don't think it would work in FFXIV. Even WoW with it's bigger playerbase might be able to diminish the effects but I could see this very easily wrecking some of the smaller servers here.

[Bishop81]

While I do find some merit in many of your points this would still end up pay to win. There are plenty of people that buy runs and giving them a legitimate way of essentially buying the gil would only make that happen even more.

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This might work in EVE where the market is a big big part of the game, but I don't think it would work in FFXIV. Even WoW with it's bigger playerbase might be able to diminish the effects but I could see this very easily wrecking some of the smaller servers here.

Oh come on, this is already happening. Ever heard of buying coil or primal ex run? Heck, the nutters who can HQ 4-star items, these people are pooling points for wealth.

You should also note that people selling game time for gil, compete among themselves and pull down the price, limiting the amount of gil they can make.

[Duuude007]

I said no when people like OP challenged this in beta.

I said hell no when people like OP challenged this at launch.

I say hell TF no when people like OP challenge this now.

As Yoshida has inferred on multiple occasions, and I agree, I would rather see this game die... than let people exploit a loophole around paying to play.

...and this is the tip of the proverbial iceberg.

[NinjaTaru72]

I worry this would promote rmt more actually.

Look at it this way.

(on my server)
Platinum wedding cost 25$.
People sell it for 2-3m(from what I've heard.)

Plex would be $15(just to make it easy)

So would sell for (assumably) around 800-1.5m

RMT sell 1m for like 5$.

*this would cause something like this next statement to happen*

"OK so I am poor. I can out 5$ to rmt for 1m and buy a month of game that would be 15$. Let's just do that every month."

This now rmt is now getting more money and putting more shouts/bits in our game.


So I say no thanks to Plex.

[Krazymagic]

Put me down as being against the idea. Its not needed. It has no upsides to the game as a whole. It causes inflation in the game economy. So tired of peolpe wanting to fast tract everything in games these days. Instant gratification seems to trump the process, yet instant gratification also leads to the death of games and communities. Games are much more meaningful and fun when you work and earn things through playing, rather than just being able to instantly grab them.

[Tiggy]

If you want to rebuke it, target it to the right person. Except I don't believe you would, since he's on the same side of the argument and you would have no reason to discredit someone who's arguing in your favor. But then again, I might be wrong. I'll give you the chance to correct your mistake.

No, I meant you. His sentence is clearly referring to people in the sense of an individual in the crowd. And specifically one who is desperate enough to buy something like Plex just to buy a house. He in no way suggested a single person would spend thousands and becoming a housing mogul. That was all you taking what he said out of context and to an extreme.

Even Chrillix backs this up. You were incorrect in your interpretation of his words.

In my example, I did not mean one person buying up an entire ward. That is actually *almost* impossible. I mean't several PLEX buyers, each buying their own plot.

Citation needed. This is just an empty, passive-agressive response with no actual points given. The real argument is in the next quote, so it's best if I adress it where it's due:

Do you have difficulty reading the entire document before writing up these little blurbs. Read the whole thing and respond. No reason to pick 1 sentence out and comment about how it fails to do something I said a few lines later. I separated it into 2 quotes to make a line of reasoning and for emphasis. Keep up. I know it's tough.

Inflation, in general, is devaluing of currency, most often because of an oversupply of money in the system. As the laws of supply and demand tells us, if you have too much of a thing available, its value lessens. When that happens to MONEY, that leads to inflation.

Did you even read what I said?

When other people have too much money they are more willing to spend it on items which in turn makes the price of goods increase. That is literally inflation.

The price of goods increase because of the devaluation of the money. I said exactly what you said but I didn't go to a text book first. I doesn't make what I said a less accurate depiction of inflation and you any less nit picky to try and act like what I said doesn't describe inflation.

In the real world, it happens, among other reasons, when governments print too much money

Like literally what this thread is trying to do?

Actually, it is what it is: an 1%er trying to keep his clubhouse exclusive. Nothing more, nothing less.

Don't have a house and don't want one. Keep making assumptions though. Just because I disagree with your premise doesn't immediately make me a memeber of your '1%.' That's a flat out assumption and blatant logical fallacy on your part. Disagreeing with you makes me nothing more and nothing less than simply a person disagreeing with you.

Seems like a serious series reading comprehension fails here. Not just at what I said but at what others have said.

I also find it funny how often you call me passive aggressive when I explicitly came here, quoted you, and called you out on specific details in a very direct clearly not passive manner. Do you even know what passive aggressive means?

[AlexionSkylark]

Read the whole thing and respond. No reason to pick 1 sentence out and comment

Oh, you mean, like you started doing? This thread is going places...

Like literally what this thread is trying to do?

WHAT??????
No, no, stop the presses. Please, enlighten me on how PLEX would be considered a money fountain. You had my interest, now you have my curiosity. Please, tell me how exactly a system designed around the TRANSFER of money from one player to another would CREATE money into the system. I'm really curious.

Also, your argument about inflation is akin to saying that in the real world, a middle class with more buying power hurts the economy and causes inflation. That, sir, was priceless. I'm actually starting to believe you're a 1%er in real life.

[Tiggy]

Oh, you mean, like you started doing? This thread is going places..

I separated it into 2 quotes to make a line of reasoning and for emphasis. Keep up. I know it's tough.

Do you even forum? This isn't new or unique. I tire of the childlike way you want to nitpick everything but the substance of the argument. Even now you ignore all the inconvenient parts of the response and fail to acknowledge even the slightest fault you've clearly made.

WHAT??????
No, no, stop the presses. Please, enlighten me on how PLEX would be considered a money fountain. You had my interest, now you have my curiosity. Please, tell me how exactly a system designed around the TRANSFER of money from one player to another would CREATE money into the system. I'm really curious.

Also, your argument about inflation is akin to saying that in the real world, a middle class with more buying power hurts the economy and causes inflation. That, sir, was priceless. I'm actually starting to believe you're a 1%er in real life.

This thread is clearly and explicitly asking for a Flex style system right?

https://secure.eveonline.com/plex/

The first words you see across the page. "BUY PLEX, USE PLEX SERVICES, TRADE PLEX FOR ISK"

My point is made. I'm out.