It's time to reevaluate the idea of adding a PLEX/Chronoscroll-like system to FFXIV

[Violyre]

Why do people have such a hard opinion on something like plex.

Because players from FFXI and FFXIV associate "RMT" as being similar to "Hitler." You'll note that the SE MMOs are pretty much the only ones that players argue against it.

[Duuude007]

Because players from FFXI and FFXIV associate "RMT" as being similar to "Hitler." You'll note that the SE MMOs are pretty much the only ones that players argue against it.

Although falling foul of Godwin's law tends to cause the individual making the comparison to lose his argument or credibility...

Congrats, you are now a statistic.

[Havelockvet]

Because players from FFXI and FFXIV associate "RMT" as being similar to "Hitler." You'll note that the SE MMOs are pretty much the only ones that players argue against it.

Ah. Godwin's law. It is interesting that people can look at something that is good for both the devs and players and have this kind of reaction. The only con argument that has made sense is that players don't want other people to be able to legitimately buy Gil, which is fair. The rest of them are fun reading though.

[Laerad3993]

I'm split on it. On one side, Runescape for one has done this for a few years, and yes I realize they have a lot of things most people consider P2W, but I was happy to finally have a way to keep my account active without having to really give them anymore money. I also still play WoW, and am considering doing it there as well, gold wise. The problem with XIV is that Gil is easy as all get out to make, and I could see the item dropping fast in value unless they implement a system to prevent price manipulation. On the other side, I don't see a reason for it in XIV due to the game being so young.

Also, to add to this conversation to those saying how it wouldn't combat RMT, it worked for RS within a week. http://services.runescape.com/m=news...s--one-week-in

[Duuude007]

Also, to add to this conversation to those saying how it wouldn't combat RMT, it worked for RS within a week.

One week? Not exactly a good measure of consequences..

How about two months in:
30 NOV 2013


...And seeing that RS has F2P access doesn't exactly support argument that it will 'help' the game... nor our's.

[Tiggy]

One week? Not exactly a good measure of consequences..

How about two months in:
30 NOV 2013


...And seeing that RS has F2P access doesn't exactly support argument that it will 'help' the game... nor our's.

This is exactly what I've been saying would happen. Inflation. There is solid evidence right there in a game that implemented such a system that inflation would go poorly.Simple items shot up in price for no other reason than too many people now had a lot of money. People need to pay attention to these examples and how bad the side effects are. It isn't just about people getting free accounts, or stopping RMT. There ARE other effects on the game that can very easily be very negative. How long before buying the RMT cash becomes required just to stay competitive in the market???

[Bishop81]

I'm split on it. On one side, Runescape for one has done this for a few years, and yes I realize they have a lot of things most people consider P2W, but I was happy to finally have a way to keep my account active without having to really give them anymore money.

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Also, to add to this conversation to those saying how it wouldn't combat RMT, it worked for RS within a week. http://services.runescape.com/m=news...s--one-week-in

I'm sure there will be regulations to prevent manipulation - e.g. you can only see the cheapest PLEX available and you won't know the seller's name.

[Laerad3993]

One week? Not exactly a good measure of consequences..

How about two months in:
30 NOV 2013


...And seeing that RS has F2P access doesn't exactly support argument that it will 'help' the game... nor our's.

Not sure I care, or would take a players word on how they feel the economy has been impacted. Being a member since it launched back in 04, I can assure you Jagex was extremely efficient at eliminating a large chunk of betting and RMT. But I'm sure you know all about that being a player yourself and not flocking to opinions and unofficial comments on the matter. /endsarcasm

[KayoZ]

Not sure I care, or would take a players word on how they feel the economy has been impacted. Being a member since it launched back in 04, I can assure you Jagex was extremely efficient at eliminating a large chunk of betting and RMT. But I'm sure you know all about that being a player yourself and not flocking to opinions and unofficial comments on the matter. /endsarcasm

So you'd take obvious promotional "statistics" of one week results over real in-game experiences months down the line? Sorry but a week in barely gives RMT'ers the chance to adapt or even take advantage. Pretty much any new measure they take against RMT would give similar results. I wonder how much "wealth injected" drops from gold farmers for the week after SE does their massive bans. As many have already stated here, legal gold buying barely dented the illegal gold selling market in other games that have implemented it. Apparently gold farmers are always willing to sell for cheaper. Cheap enough that enough players still prefer to buy from them despite the security risk. It may even promote more illegal gold buying since its "morally ok" to do it now.

Its a lot like the legalization of a certain "product" thats been happening lately. Even though its legal now, it hasnt hurt the black market sales at all. Ive even read that its gone up a little since its much cheaper and there are less consequences to the buyer. Given the nature of PLEX selling subs, SE is unlikely to sell them for less than the entry level sub of $12.99. Meaning theyd have to sell to other players for the same or more than whatever $12.99 buys. I have no idea how low gold sellers are willing to go ... but its a little hard to compete with a market that steals from players and uses unmanned bots to make their supply.

[Bishop81]

This is exactly what I've been saying would happen. Inflation. There is solid evidence right there in a game that implemented such a system that inflation would go poorly.Simple items shot up in price for no other reason than too many people now had a lot of money. People need to pay attention to these examples and how bad the side effects are. It isn't just about people getting free accounts, or stopping RMT. There ARE other effects on the game that can very easily be very negative. How long before buying the RMT cash becomes required just to stay competitive in the market???

Inflation? No more money is created from using a PLEX-type system. So this must mean all that happened was money people has been hording - for "rainy days" or just didn't know what to do with - was put back into circulation.

PS: In RL this doesn't happen because money you keep into the bank is loaned out by the bank, so it actually remains in circulation.