Can someone give me an in-depth explanation why Summoner is arguably the worst DPS?

[Akiza]

SE thought players couldn't handle mudras as well as they did so they nerfed ninja. Based on the way the Ninja is designed I'm guessing if SE made the Summoner a Pet Based Job a massive amount of players would master it as compared to the few elite that has mastered the current DoT based incarnation. The difference between a Pet Based Job and a Dot Based Job is that Pet Jobs are hard to master on paper but easier to pick up in actual game play while DoT Based Jobs look easy on paper but a nightmare to master in actual game play.

As the Summoner currently is now it's easier to master the White Mage then the Summoner speaking of which it took me a few attempts to get White Mage end game raiding ready and master while my Summoner is end game ready but I haven't figured out the timimg of the job yet. The problem is Summoners have to know the Raid better then a White Mage to maximize the job which is horribly broken when a DPS has to know the fight better than healers ti be effective that's a massive design flaw.

[Judge_Xero]

The problem is Summoners have to know the Raid better then a White Mage to maximize the job which is horribly broken when a DPS has to know the fight better than healers to be effective that's a massive design flaw.

I'm no healer, so I'm not sure how much truth there is to this statement. (Being a good Healer looks ridiculously hard IMO)

But in saying that, as long as you know you class very well as SMN, all the fights can be broken down to match up with SMN CDs. Even if the fight is brand new there tend to be a lot of obvious areas to use skills. The only one I had trouble with in FCOB was T12, because I was trying to match my dots up to Bane onto Black Fires and Bennus both. After swapping to the SCH doing White Fires and me on Bennus it really simplified the rotation. (Now I don't even Bane onto Bennus, but rather M2, Bio, Virus. Ruin Ruin)

SMN has a lot of patterns to it, which IMO does make it easy to master on fights, and makes it extremely adaptable.

[Akiza]

I'm no healer, so I'm not sure how much truth there is to this statement. (Being a good Healer looks ridiculously hard IMO) But in saying that, as long as you know you class very well as SMN, all the fights can be broken down to match up with SMN CDs. Even if the fight is brand new there tend to be a lot of obvious areas to use skills. The only one I had trouble with in FCOB was T12, because I was trying to match my dots up to Bane onto Black Fires and Bennus both. After swapping to the SCH doing White Fires and me on Bennus it really simplified the rotation. (Now I don't even Bane onto Bennus, but rather M2, Bio, Virus. Ruin Ruin)

SMN has a lot of patterns to it, which IMO does make it easy to master on fights, and makes it extremely adaptable.

That's my point other DPS don't have to plan out everything they react to what happens. Even White Mages don't plan out every phase it's just easy to tell when to pop big heals as oppose to when to use CD's on Summoner. Healers have a better flow then Summoner so even though White Mage is harder to play it's easier to know when to hit medica 2 or other big heals while most Summoners screw up the timing and get punished harshly for doing so. The Summoner is just broken compared to other DPS primarily because it's more difficult to use effectively then a White Mage in endgame.
I guarantee if asked in shout which job is more difficult to play between White Mage and Summoner most players will Summoner is more difficult to play because it's harder to keep up DPS for long periods of time which makes Summoner the Hardest DPS to play.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

That's my point other DPS don't have to plan out everything they react to what happens. Even White Mages don't plan out every phase it's just easy to tell when to pop big heals as oppose to when to use CD's on Summoner.

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[YanderePrincess]

I'm no healer, so I'm not sure how much truth there is to this statement. (Being a good Healer looks ridiculously hard IMO)

DPS almost always need to know raids better than a healer. That's not a bad design flaw. It's simply standard, because a DPS is all about maximizing their dps without pulling aggro (though that's easier in XIV than a lot of other MMOs) and without getting killed by aoes that can be avoided.

While there's some mechanics that it's more important for a healer to know, healing is in general a lot simpler to do effectively, and has less requirement to do perfectly.

[Akiza]

That's what I'm talking about players in game saying Summoner is harder than White Mage because the Summoner is the hardest DPS in game and has a difficult time keeping up DPS.

[Sen_Terrechant]

That's what I'm talking about players in game saying Summoner is harder than White Mage because the Summoner is the hardest DPS in game and has a difficult time keeping up DPS.

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[YanderePrincess]

That's what I'm talking about players in game saying Summoner is harder than White Mage because the Summoner is the hardest DPS in game and has a difficult time keeping up DPS.

WHM is easy . . .

[ViviAnimus]

Healing seems easier because of less skills you actually use to heal, especially on a White Mage. But in my experience, from both DPSing T10-13 and healing T10-13, healing is a lot more intense. On SCH it's probably a bit harder than on WHM as well. Healing is not required a set rotation which you repeat over and over again. It's more of reactive and in SCH's case preemitive. As SCH, to play effectively, you need to know the whole fight by heart in order to know when to heal, DPS, mitiaged damage and so on.

[YanderePrincess]

Healing seems easier because of less skills you actually use to heal, especially on a White Mage. But in my experience, from both DPSing T10-13 and healing T10-13, healing is a lot more intense

My experience doesn't go as high in the turns as yours, but my own from dpsing in Second Coil and Healing in Second Coil says that DPS is more intense. But this might also be something that's at least in part subjective. And that's with Scholar having been my primary healing class in coil. But I've been a healer as one of my main roles for over 10 years, so maybe I'm just really acclimated to it?