Quote Originally Posted by Kurokikaze View Post
No. What I noticed is that people like abusing a completely broken system. The fact that theres so much freedom is why we're discussing this in the first place. Besides I'm not taking away all their freedom - just the parts being exploited now.

Don't confuse freedom as being better than being given a few logical choices. Freedom is an illusion.

In FFXI you were free to choose whatever subjob you want. Now if SE told you that you could only use certain subjobs for each class:

Ranger could only sub Warrior, Samurai, and Ninja. Would that have hampered that job's ability to perform? Not in the slightest. Why? Because those were the only subjobs that were being used by that job, period. If a Ranger came to your merit party, HNM party with a Black Mage sub what would you say? Wheres your freedom of play now?

Yes, thats what I thought.

If you can honestly come up with a well thought out counter argument to this I'd LOVE to hear it.

Anyways, theres some food for thought. Back to BG for me.
you call it freedom and i call it restricting. that's why we are trying to find a medium between both groups but one group wants to attack the other. that's why we agreed with the idea of the advanced classes with abilities that cannot be used on the base classes. the best argument you can come up with it it gets rid of traditional roles so i can't be lazy and only level one class with a second part time class and be a god. you don't want to take the time to level alot of classes so you want to attack the ones that do. some of us enjoy the freedom to choose to level a bunch of classes and have a bunch of abilities to use from each one. you want to level 2 classes and have a main with a subjob.

if you want to use that argument you fail in itself because if you want a traditional class/job/role whatever you want to call it then the subjob should not be allowed either. you would have one class with no subjob and only the abilities for that one class. then there will just be more people complaining that oh the thm is too overpowered or the arc does way too much damage.