Solo players can't get proper credit for hunts

[blowfin]

How is that an insult. I'm just stating a fact, a fact that players are losing hate when they have much time lead to build an impassible hate. If this has happened, it is a point for the tank to self-review. Whilst tanking is not my main job, at any point where I am the engaging tank on a single target and if I lost it I'd feel embarrassed about it. That's why whole point. It is just embarrassing if I found the mob, engaged it, and 10-20s later another tank came in and pulled it off me. I wouldn't even have the cheek to cry about it that I lost the mob...

You've insulted me because you made an assumption about the situation, and then insinuated I was failing at holding hate. It's quite simple.

Like I said, that wasn't the situation. I'm quite happy to be civil, but being forced to wait around for dozens of people to turn up, and then not getting a party invite, and subsequently getting boned on contribution. It doesn't leave a particularly good taste in my mouth, and there's little doubt that the scenario is caused by players from Hunt shells trying to do the "right thing" by resetting countless times while everyone else stands around twiddling their thumbs. It just turns out that the "right thing" for the hunt shells point of view is not the "right thing" for people who happen to come across these NM's in their own time. You do understand that right?

I mean at the very least you've given me impetus to not hold back If I see a spawned B rank, I do wonder how many tells I'm going to get when I put it into practice though ; ) Guess we'll see.

[Ooshima]

You've insulted me because you made an assumption about the situation, and then insinuated I was failing at holding hate. It's quite simple.

Like I said, that wasn't the situation. I'm quite happy to be civil, but being forced to wait around for dozens of people to turn up, and then not getting a party invite, and subsequently getting boned on contribution. It doesn't leave a particularly good taste in my mouth, and there's little doubt that the scenario is caused by players from Hunt shells trying to do the "right thing" by resetting countless times while everyone else stands around twiddling their thumbs. It just turns out that the "right thing" for the hunt shells point of view is not the "right thing" for people who happen to come across these NM's in their own time. You do understand that right?

I mean at the very least you've given me impetus to not hold back If I see a spawned B rank, I do wonder how many tells I'm going to get when I put it into practice though ; ) Guess we'll see.

Well you could go ahead. Personally speaking I hold nothing against solo players from pulling or taking B mobs with their own little party. I can't speak for everyone, but at least players I have spoken too do understand that there are really non LS players out there. If they have so-called ninja'd a B mob then I guess there isn't anything about it. What people are unhappy against are LEECHES - players in a hunting LS that took information but without contribution and either pulled early or ninja'd them. That is something people are against. But if you are not part of any LS and you found a mob, decided not to share and eat it for yourself, I don't think there is anything wrong. At least the guys I've played with and spoken to doesn't think so and we do acknowledge such players around.

With regards to invitations, have you tried inviting others instead? I mean there is no one-way in doing this. I am in 2 LS and that doesn't guarantee me a spot in any hunting parties. At times while waiting for a FC/LS party spot, if a A rank pops I will just teleport, and pick up random players shouting LFP along the way. You don't even need a full team - there was once I picked up 2 WAR, and with me we are a 3 WAR party. There were at least 100 players waiting on the A rank mark as usual as it was still peak hours. Guess what? All 3 of us got our 20 Allied Seals and 80 Myth. You should probably try picking up these guys and form a hunting party or a temp party just for that A rank if you do not get invites when shouting LFP - because most parties are full.

And don't have the misconception that parties started within LS doesn't pick up outsiders. Most groups I know do - we even picked up JP players shouting LFP. It is just that when we need members we asked our FC/LS first, if no one responses we pick up which ever shouting LFP on the map.

But like I said, if you didn't get invite, you CAN actually invite.

[scarebearz]

Agree with the OP.

[Kiara]

I am doing other things, I stumble upon a mark. Great let me call my friends! Oh no they didn't make it, well I'll just attack it with the other herd here in hopes I can get something.

The complaint is, if you STUMBLE upon a fate, you can still get full credit without being in a party. If you stumble upon a monster you cannot get full credit unless no one else is there or your party/friends make it there in time.
The point is that hunts are very much like fates, but unlike fates rewards are a lot more difficult to obtain even though it's basically the same thing.


However this kind of zerg content should not force players to "join parties ahead of time" to get credit. Nowhere in Yoshida's posts did it ever say it was going to be like that.

I definitely agree, well said.

I join and make Hunt NM Parties, and even then, there are times when the whole group can't zone in fast enough before the NM dies (someone else engaged it).

And more often than not, even with a few people in a Party, we can't get Full Credit (doing our best from 100% down to 0%).

I feel worse for solo'ers who shout for parties (repeatedly) but get no invites.

The participation calculation should be EASED UP and it should be more fair for Solo'ers or even Partial Parties (the others couldn't get to the NM fast enough) to get a better evaluation / credit.

The way it is now, The Hunt System *does NOT promote Community*: It's the opposite, and promotes an Isolationist / Don't Tell Anyone! behavior in Final Fantasy.

That shouldn't be what this game is about.

[Elim]

I don't think solo players should get full credit with the hunts we have now. That will only encourage 300 million billion trillion gillion pillion gsfdihsfdiowiotillion more people to do hunts. I wonder if too many people zerging a hunt can crash the server? Hmm...

How about instead the devs add solo hunts? Issue is, if they were implemented just like the hunts we have now I don't think it'd be possible to stop zergs from wiping them out in a blink of an eye. But the devs could create new ways to hunt such as hunt leves... or something.

[Nukocafe]

I don't think solo players should get full credit with the hunts we have now. That will only encourage 300 million billion trillion gillion pillion gsfdihsfdiowiotillion more people to do hunts.

Because there aren't already "300 million billion trillion gillion pillion gsfdihsfdiowiotillion" people doing those hunts in parties

[Elim]

Because there aren't already "300 million billion trillion gillion pillion gsfdihsfdiowiotillion" people doing those hunts in parties

My point exactly. Now double that number if solo players can get full credit.

[Nukocafe]

My point exactly. Now double that number if solo players can get full credit.

So because I happen to be mining next to a B rank mob, and I switch to my DPS, I'm not allowed to get full credit?
I'm still in the same map regardless.
I will still be attacking the mob with everyone else but for whatever reason you've convinced yourself, me not getting full credit will somehow fix the amount of people on the mob?

LOL.

[Elim]

for whatever reason you've convinced yourself, me not getting full credit will somehow fix the amount of people on the mob?

No. You're just twisting my words for whatever reason. Please re-read my post.

All I'm saying is giving full credit to every solo player will only increase the amount of people at each hunt, therefore potentially causing more issues for everyone.

[Parz3val]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Hunts-for-Good