Current State of End-Game Contents - A Blog Post from A Japanese Player

[Pooky_Pasha]

Only 1 tank even in the party he dies at 30% they still get the kill.

Gee, and I thought these fights required all 8 people to execute perfectly and any death=automatic wipe, especially the tank. At least, that's what I keep reading in this thread.

[Zarzak]

Titan HM/EX when you're left with 3-6 people and it takes an extra 4 minutes above normal to kill the primal and a healer LB3 isn't gonna revive those knocked off the platform.

This is exactly the situation echo helps.... Event originally tuned for 4 dps doing 200 dmg each (total = 800 dps) well here comes echo buff now 2 dps do 400 each (total = 800 dps)

1 tank and 1 healer have been possible since pre echo and in ilvl 90 gear. So echo also powers up these already overgeared people (who will at this point be somewhere between 90 and 100) allowing them to do the same with less than optimal play

[Clavaat]

Nice static you are in, i wonder why you think everyone must have one?
A MT (MainTank) with weakness definetly can no longer be MT any more, if the team at least manage to survive the Boss running havoc on the field.

No reason to be condescending about it. I never said everyone must have one. I'd recommend it, but I never said anyone needed to. And your 2nd point makes no sense to me. Of course they can? And why couldn't the OT take over while MT is being raised?

[Yukiko]

Only 1 tank even in the party he dies at 30% they still get the kill.

You see that how often in DF groups?
Sometimes in really good PF groups, but solely on statics!

I wonder what you try to prove with a static in T8 ?

[Gormogon]

I wonder what you try to prove with a static in T8 ?

I can only assume that it's to try and show how a good static with communication, such as VoIP, can help control some situations. Outside of that is just condescending superiority bs.

Since I farmed T1 through DF to get the allagan caster ring that I never saw drop before DF was introduced. I went through many 2% wipes that could've been prevented if the bards in my group would've used the LB 3 despite kiting the Caduceus for as long as possible.

[Archulak]

You see that how often in DF groups?
Sometimes in really good PF groups, but solely on statics!

I wonder what you try to prove with a static in T8 ?

That isn't really a static it's like half people's alts from my static and half people from the fc without one, which is another thing that comes up a lot with people saying that you can't have a community in your fc cause everyone just sticks to their own statics.

The only reason I even brought it up was to blatantly disprove an absolute statement.

A MT (MainTank) with weakness definetly can no longer be MT any more, if the team at least manage to survive the Boss running havoc on the field.

EDIT: side note to anyone thinking I'm bragging about how "1337" I am, I'm not even in that party.

[Gormogon]

The only reason I even brought it up was to blatantly disprove an absolute statement.

You're not really disproving anything.

When Second Coil of Bahamut gets added to DF go do it by yourself and see how likely that is to happen.

[Dano]

Only 1 tank even in the party he dies at 30% they still get the kill.

I'll raise you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjndBZfM8Bs

turn 9, solo tank, tank dies to claw at 10:15, boss proceed to ravage everyone, a few dps dies in the process, there were also a couple of people getting hit by dynamo, all in all a pretty sloppy run but they never give up, in the end they were 2 secs before enrage and managed to clear it.

[Kuwagami]

Just to be sure, are you aware that videos about elite players not wiping on a tank death have nothing to do about the fact that average players and groups (and even "not-so-bad"/good groups) can't recover from a death ?

Just saying.


A more accurate example could be my last T5 : everyone dropping dead one after another following a stupid mistake on the last DK before hatch phase, the healer swift raised me as a bard right when the tank dropped dead as well. LB3, echo helped us to win as the price of the OT being slaughtered the time for us to recover positions and focus. That was a complete PUG group with the sole condition being "know DK how to dodge twisters". People were not so great, dps was sloppy on conflags/snakes even with the 15%, but they were pro dodgers so who cares ?

It shows that players a little above average (provided they dedicated time learning the fight) can recover when things turn ugly. That said, if such a thing were to happen on T8/T9, it would be a wipe. Average players can't have the coordination and cold-blood needed for that when shit happens out of nowhere (in a PUG). That was the original point made by Yukiko.

And counter examples made of statics' kill or semi static (half static and half FC is so much more coordinated than random PUG... it's a whole different world) fail hard to address the point.
(still awesome recoveries though)


(and just to be sure that everyone understands what I'm saying, I bolded the important part. Thanks to echo)

[Dano]

Just to be sure, are you aware that videos about elite players not wiping on a tank death have nothing to do about the fact that average players and groups (and even "not-so-bad"/good groups) can't recover from a death ?

Just saying.

Of course it has everything to do with average players, these elite players were once also newbies/average players to the game, some learn the game and became good at it, they naturally gravitate to each other to form groups to clear content. If someone is dedicated enough they can clear content in due time.

Just saying.