The Monk Temple Reborn

[AldricBranchais]

Hey guys, I'm currently on T10 with my static on my DRG, and I want to start gearing up my MNK to be able to push out the most DPS it can for the start of FCOB.

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/PM36

This is my current gear. I'm pulling about 460 DPS, and I'm still getting used to my rotation again. This is on a dummy with no party buffs, food or pots. Is this a good range?

Also, where should I go with my gear and what stats should I focus more overall?

I heard that some MNK's over in JP are focusing SS. Is this a good thing to do?

Tried to mimic your gear as best I could with what was available. This is what I used and pulled 479.75 over 4:10: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/PM84
I'd say you're doing okay for your gear level? Considering I used 3 130 pieces, and pentamelded boots.
Personally, I take SkS to around 400 and go no further. Others may prefer lower SkS.

[Mimi91]

alright gotta try that next time, i thought it's the same in ALL tab if it 1 shot/attempt

okay tried what sleigh suggested, only dealt 497.52 DPS (apkallu omelette, 2x str pot, 1x PPP, got targeted by ES 3x at P4) much lower than merged lol

[Blackelement]

Hey guys, I was looking at the MNK video posted on reddit earlier by KenMasterz (http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...onk_dps_guide/) and I was working out the potency difference between his and this guide's rotation, I'll post all my numbers here and if anyone can find and clarify any mistakes I'd be very much appreciative. (gonna be a long post for those TL;DR guys)

1.1*1.05=1.155*1.1=1.2705*1.27=1.613535 consistant damage bonus
1.1*1.05=1.155*1.27=1.46685 w/o TS OR DK buff
1.05*1.27=1.3335 w/o both DK and TS

DK = 150 x 1.3335 = 200.025 (w/o both)
Ts = 140 x 1.46685 = 205.359(w/o Ts buff)
DK = 150 x 1.613535 = 242.03025
Ts = 140 x 1.613535 = 225.8949
SP = 180 x 1.613535 = 290.4363
ToD = (20 x 1.613535) + (250 x 1.46685) = 32.2707 + 366.7125 = 398.9832
BS = (150 x 1.5) x 1.613535 = 363.045375
TS = 190 x 1.613535 = 306.57165
Demo = (70 x 1.613535) + (240 x 1.46685) = 112.94745 + 352.044 = 474.99145

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[Blackelement]

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His rotation: (no DK or Ts buff) DK -> (no Ts buff) Ts -> SP -> ToD -> BS -> TS -> SP -> BS -> TS -> Demo -> (no DK or Ts buff) DK -> (no Ts buff)Ts -> SP -> BS -> TS -> SP -> BS -> TS -> Demo, totalling 19 GCDs

His potency/GCD: 200.25 + 205.359 + 290.4363 + 398.9832 + 363.045375 + 306.57165 + 290.4363 + 363.045375 + 306.57165 + 474.99145 + 200.25 + 205.359 + 290.4363 + 363.045375 + 306.57165 + 290.4363 + 363.045375 + 306.57165 + 474.99145 = 6580.82 / 19 = 346.35894737 potency/GCD

[Blackelement]

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Thread's front page current rotation: DK -> Twin -> Demo -> Boot -> True -> Snap -> DK -> Twin -> Snap -> Boot -> True -> Demo -> DK -> Twin -> Snap -> Boot -> True -> Snap -> ToD

and its potency/GCD: 242.03025 + 225.8949 + 474.99145 + 363.045375 + 306.57165 + 290.4636 + 242.03025 + 225.8949 + 290.4636 + 363.045375 + 306.57165 + 474.99145 + 242.03025 + 225.8949 + 290.4636 + 363.045375 + 306.57165 + 290.4636 + 398.9832= 5923.447025 / 19 = 311.7603697 potency/GCD
however (based on his video) ToD goes back roughly 3 places every rotation, meaning one extra ToD every 6 rotations, so 311.7603697 + (398.9832 / 6) = 311.7603697 + 66.4972 = 378.2575697 potency/GCD

[Ricdeau]

Just to let you know if you want to get by the 1000 character limit you can just edit your initial post. I just type up what I want to say elsewhere and just post a placeholder then edit over it with the full text. I'll have to look over what you actually posted when I'm not super tired.

Edit - I will note that whenever I tested double BS > True Strike rotations between DK > Twin Snakes applications it was a noticeable DPS loss in every scenario I tried.

[Blackelement]

Ahh, thanks for the tip on the char limit work around, I rarely comment on forum posts here unless I see something glaringly obvious, while I do know the number crunching side of theorycrafting pretty well, I'm not that good at coming up with the "squeeze that one extra dps" rotations as others so I leave it to the others, usually and yea, the double bootshine thing was what first made me queery the numbers, since I couldn't see how dropping DK and TS every time was beneficial especially with delaying ToD so much.

On a second smaller note, does using a potent poisoning potion make you miss one auto attack (heared that somewhere, idr where), and if so, wouldn't that mean that using one on MNK is a dps loss as our auto attacks usually hit for more than 250 a time?

[Ricdeau]

One thing I think you haven't factored into your math is that dropping DK and Twin Snakes buffs that frequently has a pretty negative effect on your auto attacks which is 30% of your overall damage. I just ran another test doing double BS > True rotations and I still get 15ish DPS lower than not dropping those buffs (similar to my tests before).

[Viridiana]

One thing I think you haven't factored into your math is that dropping DK and Twin Snakes buffs that frequently has a pretty negative effect on your auto attacks which is 30% of your overall damage. I just ran another test doing double BS > True rotations and I still get 15ish DPS lower than not dropping those buffs (similar to my tests before).

Each buff that's missing is 8 or 9 potency per auto attack. Unless my math is wonky.

[Blackelement]

You know, I completely forgot to factor in the auto attacks to that, the i130 weapons are ((2.32/3*)100) = 77.3 potency (according to http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...otency/cfdy7f7 and Viridiana) so that would be:

(2 x (77.3 x 1.613535)) - ((77.3 x 1.3335) + (77.3 x 1.46685)) = 32.985456, this happens twice in the rotation in the video, so 65.970912 potency drop over the 19 hit rotation, giving it a 3.472153263 potency/GCD drop.