The Monk Temple Reborn

[Ephier]

Why not Snap > Snap > DK/Twin > Twin/DK > Demo? It works and your demolish benefits from all your buffs except x-potion. You can't get in 5 GCDs if you pop the pot because of animation delay/lock.

Because Demo has a higher potency than snap punch. 70 (base hit) + 240 (from full dot ticks 40x6). Snap only hits for 180. So, Demo-Snap-Snap-DK-Twin allows you to follow up with bootshine-true strike-demolish (yes you are going to clip the demo from perfect balance at like 4 seconds to put up another demo with GL3, B4B, IR, and X-Pot). So instead of 180 potency from snap punch, you are getting 230~270 from demolish. Hope that makes sense.

[ZzPixie]

Because Demo has a higher potency than snap punch. 70 (base hit) + 200 (from full dot ticks 40x5). Snap only hits for 180. So, Demo-Snap-Snap-DK-Twin allows you to follow up with bootshine-true strike-demolish (yes you are going to clip the demo from perfect balance at like 4 seconds to put up another demo with GL3, B4B, IR, and X-Pot). So instead of 180 potency from snap punch, you are getting 200~240 from demolish. Hope that makes sense.

so I deleted my mathematically in depth argument after I noticed that you believe Demo is only 270 potency...
Don't come here giving advice if you dont even know the correct potency of an attack.
lol!!!!!!!!!!

edit:
oh maybe its because you calculated 270 potency with the assumption you clip the first demo before the last tick.
sorry?.. i guess.

[Ephier]

so I deleted my mathematically in depth argument after I noticed that you believe Demo is only 270 potency...
Don't come here giving advice if you dont even know the correct potency of an attack.
lol!!!!!!!!!!

edit:
oh maybe its because you calculated 270 potency with the assumption you clip the first demo before the last tick.
sorry?.. i guess.

No no, you were correct. I can't do math when I am tired it seems. Should have put in 40x6 not 5.

[Reisho]

No no, you were correct. I can't do math when I am tired it seems. Should have put in 40x6 not 5.

Question about application of Demo. Why do people apply DEMO when the count is 3 and below? Since 3 would be like 2 ticks of 40 so it would be 40x2=80 potency plus the 70 add that and it would be 150 potency. So isn't it still optimal to use SP which is 170 potency over DEMO when its =>3 counts left?

[whiskeybravo]

Question about application of Demo. Why do people apply DEMO when the count is 3 and below? Since 3 would be like 2 ticks of 40 so it would be 40x2=80 potency plus the 70 add that and it would be 150 potency. So isn't it still optimal to use SP which is 170 potency over DEMO when its =>3 counts left?

From my own observations of the various DoTs, sometimes they tick right before they fall off, sometimes they don't.. I think because it's on a tick timer that doesn't always line up with when you apply the dot itself.. (my best guess).. so by re-applying right before it falls off you ensure continuous ticking.. Also, with monk in particular, you have 2 moves at least before you can re-apply it, so if it falls off you are potentially missing 2 or 3 ticks. Individually it doesn't make a big difference.. In a 5-10 minute fight if you let it fall off 20-30 times it is a big difference, though.

[Aiyza]

So if I'm correct, the right PB opener should be:

PB>Demolish>Snap>Snap>BfB>Twin Snakes>IR>DragonKick>Howling>Touch>SteelPeak>Bootshine>True Strike>Demolish>X-pot>continue on rotation...

I wonder with the new gear from final coil, will our spell speed go up enough to take away the risk in not getting your demolish in on time to keep your stacks.

Also a question for non-PB opener, do you start off with ToD? I've always seem to be doing that.

Also when do you guys use your buffs? I heard people say only use it when you have 3 stacks of GL, use it whenever it is up, as early as you with a non-pb opener, use it with at least 1 stack of gl....hm....so many options but which is the best? Thanks guys.

Edit: So I just looked at some past posts and someone's opening was:

With PB
Demo -> BfB -> Snap -> IR -> Snap -> Howl -> DK -> Steel -> Snap (PB is off, no stance) -> DK -> Twin -> ToD -> Fracture (optional) -> Demo -> Boot -> True -> Snap...
Demo -> BfB -> Snap -> IR -> Snap -> Howl -> DK -> Steel -> Twin (PB is off, no stance) -> Boot -> True -> Demo -> ToD -> Fracture (optional) -> DK -> Twin -> Snap...

So which is which because I got the first opening from this same thread a few weeks ago. O_o *confused* I know I tracked my dps with the first opener and got to 460-470 on a training dummy and on t8 I was maintaining around 430-440 dps ilvl108.

[Ricdeau]

So if I'm correct, the right PB opener should be:
...snip...

You know, people make a huge fuss over the PB opener all the time, but in all actuality as long as you are getting GL3 during PB and trying to get all your CDs rolling it's not a huge difference in the long run. I've done a great amount of testing with both openers that you posted in particular. In the end final DPS out of many ~4 minute parses showed roughly equal DPS. So the big difference here is:

Demo -> BfB -> Snap -> IR -> Snap -> Howl -> DK -> Steel -> Snap (PB is off, no stance) -> DK -> Twin -> ToD -> Fracture (optional) -> Demo -> Boot -> True -> Snap... - Safer opener in terms of timing and not losing GL3 if any movement is involved.
Demo -> BfB -> Snap -> IR -> Snap -> Howl -> DK -> Steel -> Twin (PB is off, no stance) -> Boot -> True -> Demo -> ToD -> Fracture (optional) -> DK -> Twin -> Snap... - A little more optimized to squeeze out a touch more damage, but has very tight timing.

Neither one is going to result in a great difference though. Factor in how easily you can get off these combos, and if you have difficulty with the timing on the second one then just stick with the first. In the end though as long as you are getting GL3 and at least DK up during PB the rest doesn't make that big of a difference since you can apply Twin Snakes right as you come out of PB. Crit RNG is going to be your biggest factor in parse fluctuations.

[Lewena]

Nobody reads the OP XD

Well at the same time, it keeps the thread alive as there wasn't anything new for monk since some time already. Now if someone is able to find a better sustained rotation it will be welcome.

[Reisho]

ok enough about rotations. Let's talk about the new BIS and what drops in what turns in FCoB. If anyone has a link to this please post. Looking at the gears I would say Augmented Ironworks Cuirass of Striking, Augmented Ironworks Visor of Striking, Dreadwyrm Bracers of Striking, Augmented Ironworks Belt of Striking, Augmented Ironworks Hose of Striking, Dreadwyrm boots of Striking, Augmented Ironworks Earring of Striking, Dreadwyrm Choker of Striking, Augmented Ironworks Bracelets of Striking and Augmented Ironworks/Dreadwyrm Rings of Striking. Please post if anyone has the official links. Thanks.

[Ricdeau]

ok enough about rotations. Let's talk about the new BIS and what drops in what turns in FCoB. If anyone has a link to this please post. Looking at the gears I would say Augmented Ironworks Cuirass of Striking, Augmented Ironworks Visor of Striking, Dreadwyrm Bracers of Striking, Augmented Ironworks Belt of Striking, Augmented Ironworks Hose of Striking, Dreadwyrm boots of Striking, Augmented Ironworks Earring of Striking, Dreadwyrm Choker of Striking, Augmented Ironworks Bracelets of Striking and Augmented Ironworks/Dreadwyrm Rings of Striking. Please post if anyone has the official links. Thanks.

Hard to state BiS without first knowing accuracy caps. That will take a little time to narrow down.