Conjurer is missed up and doesn't make sence

[Hopecord]

Indeed. Conjurer is is very missed up due to: (Thaumaturge isn't perfect either)

1- It contain both the classic spells of white mage (Cure, Cure II,...) and Black Mage (Fire, Fire II,...).

2- The upcoming Job system would have two jobs that form the conjurer ( white mage and black mage) and due to the fact that each class unlock one job only then conjurer could be one of these two. which one? that's not the question. but how can conjurer be white mage and not the black mage and vice versa that is the question?

Acording to YoshiP the jobs gonna be: (don't forget the fact that each class has one job atm)
-Tank
-Attacker
-Damage Dealer (Nuker) (my note:read the rest)
-Healer/Crowd Controller (my note: both DOM can do so but conj is closer because of classic cure spells and other heal spell as poisona)
-Buffer/Crowd Controller (my note: if that mean debuffing aswell then conj is better buffer and thm is better debuffer, so who's the nuker)

Here is YoshiP post #105
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...alk-jobs/page3

Remember: YoshiP said that some actions may has drastic changes. But could that mean change of a class direction? I have no idea and I would love to know the future on Conjurer within the job system?

Thanks for reading and forgive my English.

[Sephr]

It's that age-old saying:

Please wait a little longer...

[Apricoth]

I think the segue from Conjuror to <insert caster class here> will not be very smooth and may not make a whole lot of sense. Some of us in Seraphim were even trying to figure out where the heck Bard would be coming out of... although jumping ahead of ourselves a bit, the question remains. So there you have it. haha

[Gun_Anam]

Acording to YoshiP the jobs gonna be: (don't forget the fact that each class has one job atm)
-Tank
-Attacker
-Damage Dealer (Nuker) (my note:read the rest)
-Healer/Crowd Controller (my note: both DOM can do so but conj is closer because of classic cure spells and other heal spell as poisona)
-Buffer/Crowd Controller (my note: if that mean debuffing aswell then conj is better buffer and thm is better debuffer, so who's the nuker)

I think you misunderstood the post. Those aren't the specific job roles, those are the roles in battle that could be performed by any number of classes. i.e. a CON would likely be healer or nuker or buffer/debuffer depending on what is required of them in the rest of the party set-up. They're not being forced into one role.

[Fiosha_Maureiba]

We'll have to wait to see how SE wants to do their shuffling.

Classes may change to reflect job introduction. Or jobs might work their way as an independent portion of the lore and not have a strict 1:1 prerequisite. But I'm sure the theories have been bled from folks before, so I'll just be in the corner eating cookies for a bit.

[Evangela]

the whole DoM is messed up

no, the whole class system is messed up from the beginning

I don't understand why team Tanaka decided to made all of these classes rather than keep the classic FF jobs from the beginning?

[Hopecord]

I think you misunderstood the post. Those aren't the specific job roles, those are the roles in battle that could be performed by any number of classes. i.e. a CON would likely be healer or nuker or buffer/debuffer depending on what is required of them in the rest of the party set-up. They're not being forced into one role.

thanks for your replay but I think you misunderstand me. the conjurer as class can do all what you have said but as job (white mage or black mage) can not. a conjurer can be only one job. that job can do a specific thing only. for example: Black mage can't heal while white mage can't nuke. In Famitsu Connect-On Magazine, SE confirmed that both white and black mages gonna be jobs for DOM. So if conjurer's job can do all of what you said then why SE bother making Job system? SE said "we would like players to think of jobs as specialized playing styles optimized for partying"

the jobs specialties are tanking, attacking, nuking, healing ...

[ObeiKinstar]

I really like the way con and thm are set up now in some aspects and dislike in others.

I like how a thm is a user of magic from light and dark, life and death, astral and umbral
Where the con is a user of elemental magics

I understand the confusion because these are not typical ff roles and do not fit into perfect categories of whm and blm, but thats WHY i like them its different, however now that they have decided to put the classic ff role as whm and blm into the game it makes thses classes confusing because they dont have predefined roles, they can be played how you want to, and thats what I really liked about the current system, however people need these predefined roles of your a healer, your a nuker, etc because people like to be told which direction to go, and ultimately makes it easier to play in parties when your job is already layed out for you and you dont have to figure out for yourself what to do.

Given more options for classes and more time for people to figure out good party concepts I think the class system would have stood fine on its own with some fixing and tweaking, but Im looking forward to the new changes.

I think at this point its impossible to decide if con=whm or con=blm because as I stated the class and jobs just dont line up, they will have to change things like certain abilities etc.

[SHJcules]

It makes sense from a solo aspect. To win a battle you need to drop a mobs hp while keeping yours at a healthy level (amazing). CON and THM are able to do that well enough alone. And as far as partying is concerned, I've played CON in groups and generally everyone at least has Cure II, so I'd probably just go afk if there was nothing else in my bag o tricks. I do like the ability to solo on magic classes though and I believe that was their intent, as much fun as sleep>nuke>rest 5 minutes is in XI..

Of course this wont really apply going forward, and I have no idea how they will handle specializing the magic world for skillful group play, but I am not a game developer so will just have to wait and see!

[Rinsui]

no, the whole class system is messed up from the beginning

I don't understand why team Tanaka decided to made all of these classes rather than keep the classic FF jobs from the beginning?

B*I*N*G*O.
And the duck is doing a damn good job trying to sort things out.
It sure takes him some time, but then again, he had to tear down a few walls!