Conjurer is missed up and doesn't make sence

[Hopecord]

Indeed. Conjurer is is very missed up due to: (Thaumaturge isn't perfect either)

1- It contain both the classic spells of white mage (Cure, Cure II,...) and Black Mage (Fire, Fire II,...).

2- The upcoming Job system would have two jobs that form the conjurer ( white mage and black mage) and due to the fact that each class unlock one job only then conjurer could be one of these two. which one? that's not the question. but how can conjurer be white mage and not the black mage and vice versa that is the question?

Acording to YoshiP the jobs gonna be: (don't forget the fact that each class has one job atm)
-Tank
-Attacker
-Damage Dealer (Nuker) (my note:read the rest)
-Healer/Crowd Controller (my note: both DOM can do so but conj is closer because of classic cure spells and other heal spell as poisona)
-Buffer/Crowd Controller (my note: if that mean debuffing aswell then conj is better buffer and thm is better debuffer, so who's the nuker)

Here is YoshiP post #105
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...alk-jobs/page3

Remember: YoshiP said that some actions may has drastic changes. But could that mean change of a class direction? I have no idea and I would love to know the future on Conjurer within the job system?

Thanks for reading and forgive my English.

[Sephr]

It's that age-old saying:

Please wait a little longer...

[Apricoth]

I think the segue from Conjuror to <insert caster class here> will not be very smooth and may not make a whole lot of sense. Some of us in Seraphim were even trying to figure out where the heck Bard would be coming out of... although jumping ahead of ourselves a bit, the question remains. So there you have it. haha

[Gun_Anam]

Acording to YoshiP the jobs gonna be: (don't forget the fact that each class has one job atm)
-Tank
-Attacker
-Damage Dealer (Nuker) (my note:read the rest)
-Healer/Crowd Controller (my note: both DOM can do so but conj is closer because of classic cure spells and other heal spell as poisona)
-Buffer/Crowd Controller (my note: if that mean debuffing aswell then conj is better buffer and thm is better debuffer, so who's the nuker)

I think you misunderstood the post. Those aren't the specific job roles, those are the roles in battle that could be performed by any number of classes. i.e. a CON would likely be healer or nuker or buffer/debuffer depending on what is required of them in the rest of the party set-up. They're not being forced into one role.

[Hopecord]

I think you misunderstood the post. Those aren't the specific job roles, those are the roles in battle that could be performed by any number of classes. i.e. a CON would likely be healer or nuker or buffer/debuffer depending on what is required of them in the rest of the party set-up. They're not being forced into one role.

thanks for your replay but I think you misunderstand me. the conjurer as class can do all what you have said but as job (white mage or black mage) can not. a conjurer can be only one job. that job can do a specific thing only. for example: Black mage can't heal while white mage can't nuke. In Famitsu Connect-On Magazine, SE confirmed that both white and black mages gonna be jobs for DOM. So if conjurer's job can do all of what you said then why SE bother making Job system? SE said "we would like players to think of jobs as specialized playing styles optimized for partying"

the jobs specialties are tanking, attacking, nuking, healing ...

[allenshu]

thanks for your replay but I think you misunderstand me. the conjurer as class can do all what you have said but as job (white mage or black mage) can not. a conjurer can be only one job. that job can do a specific thing only. for example: Black mage can't heal while white mage can't nuke. In Famitsu Connect-On Magazine, SE confirmed that both white and black mages gonna be jobs for DOM. So if conjurer's job can do all of what you said then why SE bother making Job system? SE said "we would like players to think of jobs as specialized playing styles optimized for partying"

Because most players don't know how to play a role with the freedom of setting attributions, actions, and traits. Under the current class system, if you want to be a BLM, you just need to set more INT, magic attack buff, elemental enfeeble, nuke magic actions, and corresponding traits. So, of course, if you want to be a WHM, you can set more MND points, magic effect enhance buff, status debuff, heal actions, and corresponding traits as well.

The fact that SE plans to introduce jobs doesn't mean the current system is a mistake. First, it's because most players don't know how to create their own styles with the freedom, so they need SE tell them what jobs they can be. In other words, instead of creating a personal style to make you be unique to the others, most players want to play a given style like a copy of the others (ex. your DRG is just a DRG, like the others DRG). Second, jobs are actually building upon classes. By enhancing and limiting your attributions and available actions, jobs are indeed just specialized classes. This concept is not against the current class system. It just makes decisions for you based on the class system.

[Vackashken]

Because most players don't know how to play a role with the freedom of setting attributions, actions, and traits. Under the current class system, if you want to be a BLM, you just need to set more INT, magic attack buff, elemental enfeeble, nuke magic actions, and corresponding traits. So, of course, if you want to be a WHM, you can set more MND points, magic effect enhance buff, status debuff, heal actions, and corresponding traits as well.

Or that people don't want to be pigeon-holed by their stats permanently in a game where you have several jobs to switch between on both sides of the spectrum. Sure, you can redistribute stats but it takes hours upon hours to be truly class switching effective. This would also imply that the stats even work in the game properly. You reminder me of Doctor Mog - implying that people are too stupid to get how it works rather then we (people of a differing opinion) simply think it effin sucks.

Thank God we're in the majority.

[allenshu]

Or that people don't want to be pigeon-holed by their stats permanently in a game where you have several jobs to switch between on both sides of the spectrum. Sure, you can redistribute stats but it takes hours upon hours to be truly class switching effective. This would also imply that the stats even work in the game properly. You reminder me of Doctor Mog - implying that people are too stupid to get how it works rather then we (people of a differing opinion) simply think it effin sucks.

Thank God we're in the majority.

Like I already said, based on recently released information, the jobs system is actually building upon the current classes system. Please read my words carefully before you make response. Even after job system is introduced, players can still play as classes.

Being stupid or not is not decided by the others, but by your opinions. Do you ever think through why redistributing stats was made to take hours? And do you think the fact that stats doesn't work in the game properly is simply because of the class system and making jobs can change it?

Thank God that he only gives gifts to the minority.

[Anty]

thanks for your replay but I think you misunderstand me. the conjurer as class can do all what you have said but as job (white mage or black mage) can not. a conjurer can be only one job. that job can do a specific thing only. for example: Black mage can't heal while white mage can't nuke. In Famitsu Connect-On Magazine, SE confirmed that both white and black mages gonna be jobs for DOM. So if conjurer's job can do all of what you said then why SE bother making Job system? SE said "we would like players to think of jobs as specialized playing styles optimized for partying"

the jobs specialties are tanking, attacking, nuking, healing ...

atm con fro me is a sub-job class i have to get to around 50 to have the necessary stuff to equip on my thm...
which is sad. But there are better DDs and thm is by far the better healer and with con buff abilities and the debuffing, just much better.

Mobs like elements etc. can be killed by DDs fast as well, so there isnt even the need of a nuker atm.
There should be mobs that are weaker (or have some FORMS that require mage-dds) to magic users, so we will have a need of a conjurer/nuker/blm in the long run.

i really hope they pimp the con to become a real nuker. A thm then still can be the "rdm" by equipping the con nukes (which are weaker on thm then). I rather have longer casting times (mobs need to live longer anyways and get harder for more challenge) and see greater impact (a lot of hate as well) and feel powerful. Greater animations are hopefully coming soon as well. SE needs to balance the timers vs dmg so mages can finally be mages and not just DDs with cheap looking sparkling "poof-poof" animations.

If con would become a real nuker, it could unlock some kind of an elemental summoner, or something... not sure, but before i wanna see new jobs i would love to have the current ones fixed, improved, made more fun. And all jobs can use some love, even though con needs a love-parade....

[Fiosha_Maureiba]

We'll have to wait to see how SE wants to do their shuffling.

Classes may change to reflect job introduction. Or jobs might work their way as an independent portion of the lore and not have a strict 1:1 prerequisite. But I'm sure the theories have been bled from folks before, so I'll just be in the corner eating cookies for a bit.