Need some help setting up Monk macross!!!

[NoctisUmbra]

I just want to point out, since I see posts that like to indicate successful clears of specific content with the use of macros as endorsement for their viability, that unless the macro in question is particularly poorly made it is quite possible to clear anything using it.

The point isn't that macros will prevent you from performing adequately. Adequate performance isn't really a high standard. The point is that using macros will prevent you from performing at your best. I strongly suggest any MNKs utilizing macros for their skills quickly outgrow them.

Like training wheels, they are good for streamlining the learning process and letting you get started without being intimidated by all the things you need to juggle, but you're never going to reach your top performance with them on.

[Mailstrum]

I just want to point out, since I see posts that like to indicate successful clears of specific content with the use of macros as endorsement for their viability, that unless the macro in question is particularly poorly made it is quite possible to clear anything using it.

The point isn't that macros will prevent you from performing adequately. Adequate performance isn't really a high standard. The point is that using macros will prevent you from performing at your best. I strongly suggest any MNKs utilizing macros for their skills quickly outgrow them.
Like training wheels, they are good for streamlining the learning process and letting you get started without being intimidated by all the things you need to juggle, but you're never going to reach your top performance with them on.

i dont know if adequate performance.... the macro plays out exactly how i would play manualy but with less buttons to have to press.. I am top damage in our party on most of the fights as monk using these macros, and i only say we have had turn 5 on farm for a while to show that i'm not just using these to do lower teir content. I used these macros in progression and never had issues and performed really well.

This is where you've got the wrong idea. Macros that involve using the /wait command, or attempting to make use of multiple GCDs in any way are a significant DPS loss and would fall under the scope of "entirely poorly written".They are massive crutches, do not help one get better at their job at all, and as you clearly pointed out they come at a heavy cost to one's DPS.

The macros in question are macros that attempt to put multiple Off-GCD skills or buffs together, or take advantage of the priority order in a macro to combine 2nd or 3rd form skills such as Snap Punch and True Strike together into a single button - button saver macros.

While still being bad, they aren't make or break.

What makes priority macros really bad? they do the rotation perfectly? pressing more buttons in correct order doesnt magically make you do more damage then pressing less buttons but same amount of skills in hte correct order. I can pull the same dps with macros as with out macros like identical dps. But using my macros i have to press "alot" less buttons which when the shit hits the fan means less room for mistakes.

[NoctisUmbra]

What makes priority macros really bad? they do the rotation perfectly? pressing more buttons in correct order doesnt magically make you do more damage then pressing less buttons but same amount of skills in hte correct order. I can pull the same dps with macros as with out macros like identical dps. But using my macros i have to press "alot" less buttons which when the shit hits the fan means less room for mistakes.

You will in any case, at best, perform as well as a player using MNK optimally without macros. Macros will never give you an advantage. they may make something easier for you - thus them being called a crutch.

Yes, it is entirely possible in specific instances to perform equally well. Theoretically, priority macros are cool because like you say they appear to be equivalent to simply pressing the buttons yourself.

However, there are things such as server lag, latency, etc to consider. When you hit your macro button it goes through line by line. Sometimes latency leads to one or more of the lines being skipped. This can even be the last line, which may be the one you're trying to hit. So what do you do? You spam the button. Each time you hit the button though, the macro is attempting to go through multiple lines.

In a real raid environment, even if in isolated cases, such macros can regularly lead to slight delays in when your command goes through and activates your GCD skill. This means skills coming out slower. This means lower DPS.


Like I said, priority macros or macros that bunch together off-GCD skills do not make or break one's DPS. On the average scale, it won't appear to be much if even noticeable. However, due to the existence of these very real risks and situational errors, simply having a direct command entry for each skill will always be the safest, and thus anybody able to perform optimally without the use of macros will always be a step ahead.

[Mailstrum]

You will in any case, at best, perform as well as a player using MNK optimally without macros. Macros will never give you an advantage. they may make something easier for you - thus them being called a crutch.

Yes, it is entirely possible in specific instances to perform equally well. Theoretically, priority macros are cool because like you say they appear to be equivalent to simply pressing the buttons yourself.
However, there are things such as server lag, latency, etc to consider. When you hit your macro button it goes through line by line. Sometimes latency leads to one or more of the lines being skipped. This can even be the last line, which may be the one you're trying to hit. So what do you do? You spam the button. Each time you hit the button though, the macro is attempting to go through multiple lines.

In a real raid environment, even if in isolated cases, such macros can regularly lead to slight delays in when your command goes through and activates your GCD skill. This means skills coming out slower. This means lower DPS.


Like I said, priority macros or macros that bunch together off-GCD skills do not make or break one's DPS. On the average scale, it won't appear to be much if even noticeable. However, due to the existence of these very real risks and situational errors, simply having a direct command entry for each skill will always be the safest, and thus anybody able to perform optimally without the use of macros will always be a step ahead.

the goes through line by line..... happens at the millisecond rate you will never be able to truely messure the time it cant skip but 1 skill in my macro and they only usable in stances. it will always use the GCD skill first and ONLY ever use the OFF GCD skill after it uses a GCD skill i have never ever had it skill a GCD skill and use the off GCD skill, the way my macros are set up it cant fail by skipping and using a wrong skill because the skills are linked by stance and or GCD/offGCD. so spamming my macro in a raid enviroment actully opens me up for less mistakes. and skills actually fire off faster because i do not have to travel between hotkeys to fire off 2 stance skills and off GCD skills and the off GCD skills fire perfectly in time with animation lock ending and my gcd skills fire Perfectly after the off gcd animation lock. macros do make things easier they make them more effecient. now i wouldnt use macros for any other class skill rotation because they are combo based and cannot be used like a monk macro can be and will always be loss of dps.

[Sigred]

it cant skip

I'm going to need to make some more popcorn.