Instanced Raids Unveiled!

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

Just because it's mid-rank doesn't mean it can't be properly balanced. The open-world NMs couldn't be properly balanced just because of the nature of being open-world, but instances can be balanced.

FF14 is in a unique position compared to other MMOs because all of your classes are on the same character. In other MMOs, you can't just use your max level character to grab raid gear and give it to your lower level alts because all the good raid gear is character-bound, which is why level caps aren't as necessary. If you could do that, it would be detrimental to game balance.

In FF14, all of your "alts" (i.e. different classes) are on the same character, so you could essentially twink your lower classes with raid gear using minimal effort as your overpowered rank 50 main class.

(In other games like Diablo II, you can do this, but the item and loot mechanic is different so the principles don't necessarily apply the same way).

Except the r30 raid gear isn't going to be better than r50 gear, which is what any r50 is REALLY going to want. You're not going to need r30 raid gear to run the r50 dungeon, so the only reason a r50 is going to running a r30 dungeon is for vanity.

[Rentahamster]

Except the r30 raid gear isn't going to be better than r50 gear, which is what any r50 is REALLY going to want.

R50s also really want R30 gear to equip on their R30 classes. R30 raid gear is going to be better than normal R30 gear that we have now. If all you have to do is run a R30 dungeon in EZ Mode as your R50 class, then there's no point at all in considering any other gear option at rank 30 because the best gear at rank 30 is also stupidly going to be the easiest gear to acquire.

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

R50s also really want R30 gear to equip on their R30 classes. R30 raid gear is going to be better than normal R30 gear that we have now. If all you have to do is run a R30 dungeon in EZ Mode as your R50 class, then there's no point at all in considering any other gear option at rank 30 because the best gear at rank 30 is also stupidly going to be the easiest gear to acquire.

Who cares if r30 gear is better than normal rank 30 gear when I can level my r30 in whatever armor I want? It's a sub-class at best, not my main class. If there were a cap on the dungeon, I would have no interest in the gear at all. I would spend my time doing fail leves and level my r30 to r50 and just get the r50 gear, period.

[Katie]

R50s also really want R30 gear to equip on their R30 classes. R30 raid gear is going to be better than normal R30 gear that we have now. If all you have to do is run a R30 dungeon in EZ Mode as your R50 class, then there's no point at all in considering any other gear option at rank 30 because the best gear at rank 30 is also stupidly going to be the easiest gear to acquire.

Your forgetting one thing. The R30 gear and R30 dungeon are not ment for players who have already gottn to R50.

[Rentahamster]

Your forgetting one thing. The R30 gear and R30 dungeon are not ment for players who have already gottn to R50.

I'm not forgetting that at all. People who have a rank 50 class also probably have multiple lower-rank classes as well. It would be all too easy for them to twink their lower rank classes using their high rank class to farm raid gear.

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

I'm not forgetting that at all. People who have a rank 50 class also probably have multiple lower-rank classes as well. It would be all too easy for them to twink their lower rank classes using their high rank class to farm raid gear.

And so what? Why is this a problem specifically for you? Who cares how decked out my lvl 30 THM is when my main focus in my lvl 50 PGL? I don't get how this breaks the game?

[Rentahamster]

And so what? Why is this a problem specifically for you? Who cares how decked out my lvl 30 THM is when my main focus in my lvl 50 PGL? I don't get how this breaks the game?

#1 - because you screw over all the crafters who are making normal-tier rank 30 gear. If all I have to do to get the best rank 30 gear is to steamroll a dungeon with my rank 50 class, there is no reason at all for me to buy gear from a crafter. This is bad for the economy.

#2 - because it ruins the perceived value of raid gear that it was actually something that players "earned". If you had to complete a dungeon at rank 30 to get rank 30 raid gear, you must have put in a lot of effort, and your rewards are well deserved. If you just steamroll a rank 30 dungeon at rank 50, you didn't put in any effort at all, and your good rewards will have been gotten undeservedly.

[TheVedis]

#1 - because you screw over all the crafters who are making normal-tier rank 30 gear. If all I have to do to get the best rank 30 gear is to steamroll a dungeon with my rank 50 class, there is no reason at all for me to buy gear from a crafter. This is bad for the economy.

#2 - because it ruins the perceived value of raid gear that it was actually something that players "earned". If you had to complete a dungeon at rank 30 to get rank 30 raid gear, you must have put in a lot of effort, and your rewards are well deserved. If you just steamroll a rank 30 dungeon at rank 50, you didn't put in any effort at all, and your good rewards will have been gotten undeservedly.

1) im mainly a crafter, 3 50 crafts about to be 4, i wont feel screwed over in the slightest

2) its not endgame gear, who cares how you earned it, people buy gear too, that isnt very earned now is it, lets punish all them by making all gear non sellable so everyone has to earn it too

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

#1 - because you screw over all the crafters who are making normal-tier rank 30 gear. If all I have to do to get the best rank 30 gear is to steamroll a dungeon with my rank 50 class, there is no reason at all for me to buy gear from a crafter. This is bad for the economy.

#2 - because it ruins the perceived value of raid gear that it was actually something that players "earned". If you had to complete a dungeon at rank 30 to get rank 30 raid gear, you must have put in a lot of effort, and your rewards are well deserved. If you just steamroll a rank 30 dungeon at rank 50, you didn't put in any effort at all, and your good rewards will have been gotten undeservedly.

#1 is a moot point when the gear is all unique and untradeable as it is.

#2 I put my effort in to GET to r50. I shouldn't be FORCED to get a challenge at r30, I should get a challenge at r50. Running anything below lv 50 content is not using my skills to their maximum efficiency, which, to me, is not a challenge at all.

While you are showing off your capped r30 raid gear, I'll don my r50 gear and we can see who gets more looks.

[elreed]

#1 - because you screw over all the crafters who are making normal-tier rank 30 gear. If all I have to do to get the best rank 30 gear is to steamroll a dungeon with my rank 50 class, there is no reason at all for me to buy gear from a crafter. This is bad for the economy.

#2 - because it ruins the perceived value of raid gear that it was actually something that players "earned". If you had to complete a dungeon at rank 30 to get rank 30 raid gear, you must have put in a lot of effort, and your rewards are well deserved. If you just steamroll a rank 30 dungeon at rank 50, you didn't put in any effort at all, and your good rewards will have been gotten undeservedly.

it wouldnt be any problem if the drops in the dungeons are just materials to craft a weapon/armor, etc so the crafter has something to do, and give the importance they deserve.