spamming flash?

[Denver_Max]

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[Nabian]

Depends on the situation but i'm gonna go on a limb and say NO.. at the very least you should be weaving in Circle of Scorn and Spirits since they are both off the GCD

[Sephirah]

yes or no, and why?

Yes AND No

Use Flash/Circle of Scorn
Flash is not good enough to hold threat on it's own, but it isn't negligible. Using Circle of Scorn/Flash after a Shield Lob with CoS being off GCD is a great way to start AoE pulls. I view Flash as an extension, it's not going to generate a substantial amount of threat, but it's enough to hold something as long as it isn't being focused or heavily AoE'd.

Cycle target/attack to monitor/hold threat on multiple enemies
As mentioned previously, Flash is not enough to hold AoE threat if all the enemies are being attacked by AoE. You will still need to use Flash, but also rotate between your targets to monitor their threat. Fast Blade > Savage Blade > And Rage of Halone will stay combo'd when you switch targets, and using Circle of Scorn/Flash will not break their chain either. So rotate between your targets, and use a combo'd Rage of Halone on anything you're about to lose threat on. This can take a lot of focus when dealing with 3 or more enemies, but pretty fun when you get the hang of it.

Just copied these from my 10 steps to being a bad pld thread, there are also several others that go into why you should be using flash. http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...eing-a-bad-PLD

There are also specific fights where it is needed more than others, Turn 4 for example, you definitely need to use Flash a lot if you're the OT.

[Zazakura]

before 50, flash is your prime tool, use it few times to head start ...then you will have enough initial aggro against healer (tank is leader,pace setter,highest wall between mobs, if healer or any other picks aggro because you slacked on basics then you aren't tank) also add flash in between every now and then depending on instinct.

yes and rage of halone rotating is more and more important further you progress in levels

at 50 flahs is your friend, scorn is vital extension and halone rotation is major aggro holder...and after getting geared, now then you can finally forget flash spam ...but do NOT skip flash spam when you are in af gears and pre primal weapon, rage combo and scorn alone wont hold at start of fight.

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[Zazakura]

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my guide to start even at geared state multimob: pull on shield lob depending on place, flash and scorn em simultaneous, start halone after flash 1 and depending on gr flash 2.. initial aggro is one and everything you cant loose.

here is why: on business world there is 10 sec to impress your possible new boss, same applies to tanks: you have 10 secs to get firm aggro on everything that moves, generally no dps class is pulling their biggest hits from first second ,there's always like 5 to 10 seconds before big numbers fly and tank needs be ready with aggro for that.

[Enkidoh]

Unfortunately, before 50 there are too many tanks who just do not appreciate how vital Flash really is pre-50 for holding hate (especially multiple targets agroing) - as I'm maining both PLD and WHM I've seen both sides of the coin, and lately have had too many parties where the PLD doesn't use Flash after pulling with Shield Lob, I go to heal the tank, and bang, the stragglers go straight for me and the tank ignores them!

Please, Flash's value before level 50 cannot be underestimated. It is a vital part of hate generation at lower levels. I learned very early on in my career as a GLA/PLD the sheer necessity of Flash (one of the early GLA class quests basically bashes this fact into you), yet the amount of GLA/PLDs who don't use it is disappointing.

Of course, if you're only facing a single target, then Flash isn't really needed. But against multiple enemies who link/add onto you, especially if you don't a THM/BLM in your party for Sleep the stragglers (sure CNJ/WHM gets repose at 24, but it's not as effective as Sleep, and besides, a CNJ/WHM's job is to heal, not make themselves a bigger hate target than they already are), Flash's importance to hold all the mobs onto you, the tank, is pretty much underlined.

[SpookyGhost]

If you're WAR and you have someone sleeping other mobs -> Flash. If you're PLD, CoS -> Flash until half regardless of if there's someone sleeping mobs. If there's someone sleeping mobs, though, don't CoS again when it's off cooldown and make sure you flash after every combo on the focused target. Only useful for WAR on multiple mobs, but also useful for PLD on single target enemies due to the Blind effect from the trait.

[Xbuzz]

Guys, it's really simple.

At 50, single target, don't use flash, you should be using halone combo, and other non-gcd abilities to get and hold threat on most boss fights. Flash uses GCD and delays you from getting your first halone off on boss fights, which is bad.

For AOE we only have 2 spells, circle of scorn, and flash. Those are our only AOE abilities, so you're damn right you should be spamming them when doing aoe packs. With crap dps you might get away with whacking each mob and haloning each mob, but when you start doing speed runs tanking 8-10+ mobs at once with max geared dps and healers who will have to spam or you will die, you need to have a proper aoe rotation down, and that's flashing until you're low mana, then using riot blade combo to get back some mana while keeping the flashes going, and using circle of scorn + other instant abilities.

[Garnatian]

For single target use Flash so you're not capped on MP, for multiple use Flash 3/4 times if your DPS are focusing and the entire time if they are AoEing.

[Stalkster]

Flash can be op on single target(boss wise). Not for the hate but for the blind. Had 3total missed mountain buster on titan last night alone.