Thread: .3 Second Positional Update Delay (Requesting Dev Response)

Originally Posted by Naelle

They have reduced the lag. I've not had a single instance of the issues people in this thread are complaining about. I take that back my ISP was screwed for a few days and I had this EXACT problem. Then the net speeds came back and the issue was gone. It's been said a hundred times by now but the issue isn't the game servers (at least entirely). I played 1.0 and that was obvious but has been resolved.

Also, offensively calling out the devs is the last thing that's going to get them to post a response.

The problem is in the way SE programmed the game. For a full explanation of how it's different from every other MMO out there, Sinth posted a very comprehensive thread (which I've added to the OP), as he has experience in the industry. Telling people there is no problem because you don't experience, or blaming it just on lag, is being fairly ignorant. I'm not saying latency issues don't contribute to it, they do, but they do not -cause- it. If you fix the cause then the minor fluctuations in latency, or packet loss, end up not being a glaring problem.

That being said, as Sinth has stated, this was a design choice SE would have had to make early on, and will likely take millions of dollars if they try and fix it. So, it likely isn't going to be fixed. I still think SE should make some sort of statement about it though. Given how widespread the problem is. Even if the statement is just that people have to deal with it.

Originally Posted by Sunarie

The problem is in the way SE programmed the game. For a full explanation of how it's different from every other MMO out there, Sinth posted a very comprehensive thread (which I've added to the OP), as he has experience in the industry. Telling people there is no problem because you don't experience, or blaming it just on lag, is being fairly ignorant. I'm not saying latency issues don't contribute to it, they do, but they do not -cause- it. If you fix the cause then the minor fluctuations in latency, or packet loss, end up not being a glaring problem.

That being said, as Sinth has stated, this was a design choice SE would have had to make early on, and will likely take millions of dollars if they try and fix it. So, it likely isn't going to be fixed. I still think SE should make some sort of statement about it though. Given how widespread the problem is. Even if the statement is just that people have to deal with it.

My point is that if it were a design choice/flaw it would effect everyone, not just some. We all have a global cooldown because that's part of the game. Only some people experiencing this issue and only being able to replicate via throttled connections paints an image far from the one you describe. I do appreciate your comment on ignorance as those who feel harmed or ignored are generally the ones ignoring fact and reality.

Originally Posted by Naelle

My point is that if it were a design choice/flaw it would effect everyone, not just some. We all have a global cooldown because that's part of the game. Only some people experiencing this issue and only being able to replicate via throttled connections paints an image far from the one you describe. I do appreciate your comment on ignorance as those who feel harmed or ignored are generally the ones ignoring fact and reality.

Everyone is effected by it. If you had read the original post of this very thread, Yoshi himself has stated that even people with a "great connection" will experience a .1 second delay on cast bars, and the positions were updated every .3 seconds. That is caused by the very same thing that causes people to get hit by AOEs they are out of. Please do tell me what facts I have missed or ignored?

The large majority of the community seem to be majorly effected by this in that strategies around Titan (one of the most movement intensive fights) all seem to involve moving before he uses the skill. There are very few people posting they don't get the issue in comparison to those that do.. and even the people who don't get the AOE thing do not see instant interrupts during casts. Add to this that there are multiple videos out there, the issue not being present in any other MMOs, and enough information compiled from enough people for it to be an accepted (but not yet investigated/confirmed) bug.. and well, the facts really point to it being a problem. I would also say that the people who are experiencing it, have spent a lot more time investigating the causes, and what it is, than those who come in and say they don't have it therefore it's not an issue. If you're going to claim it isn't a thing, at least have some research to back it up instead of just "well I don't see it". That is why I said ignorant.

Naelle; if you play 7+ other MMO and none have this issue, are you trying to say that your connection is somehow magically responsible for the problems you experience in this game?
Because as it so happens, I play tons of MMO; both local to my ping (Within 20-80 MS ping range) and international (Korean/Chinese/Japanese; within 150-600 ping) and none, including those massively high ping ones, have this issue.

This issue affects everyone.
Some people notice it less than others, I would imagine. But it is very real and only found in this game.
Not even Wildstar (Which is currently being stress tested and close BETA tested) experiences this; a game that's not even accepting the general public yet!

Originally Posted by Naelle

They have reduced the lag. I've not had a single instance of the issues people in this thread are complaining about. I take that back my ISP was screwed for a few days and I had this EXACT problem. Then the net speeds came back and the issue was gone. It's been said a hundred times by now but the issue isn't the game servers (at least entirely). I played 1.0 and that was obvious but has been resolved.

Also, offensively calling out the devs is the last thing that's going to get them to post a response.

So there is no .3mms lag? Yoshida lied? O.o

There is no denying that the information sent from client to server takes time, that's fact. Do you know what controls the speed of that packet? That'd be your internet connection. I'm glad you think I'm an uneducated random player but I've got enough certifications and years in IT to tell you that you're wrong. The post you keep linking is correct. It's the way the game handles input. Once the server receives your command to move it moves, not before. If your connection isn't fast enough/close enough/being bottlenecked somewhere that's why you're seeing yourself get hit when you're outside the red ring.

It's impossible to send data from one point to another instantly, hence the .3mms. The problem is magnified when your connection can't get the info to the server that fast.

Originally Posted by Naelle

It's impossible to send data from one point to another instantly, hence the .3mms. The problem is magnified when your connection can't get the info to the server that fast.

Here's the simple fact: Multiple people do not have this issue in other MMOs. I'm NA, and I have this issue in FFXIV. My ISP is fine. I have played many other MMOs with no problem, but I would like to continue playing FFXIV. This simply won't be possible, with current fight design, and this issue.

It's their issue. It's something they've done/setup that is different from all other MMOs that is causing the problem. Not mine.