Help on HQing Items!

Hey guys, so I finally went for crafting and Im about lvl 30-ish Goldsmith, but still need some tips on how to High Quality items fast.
Well I use the Hasty Touch method, its simply:
I usually increase the progress bar so that it only requires another basic synthesis or whatever synthesis u want and then i go for Inner Quiet > Steady Hand > Spam Hasty Touch > Master's Mend 2 > reapply Steady Hand > spam Hasty Touch > finishing with a normal synthesis.
Now, I know its useful this method but, I can only HQ items that has lower level than me. I mean even if I use this on items with the same level as Im atm (30) I get like 70% of the quality bar, and the lower lvl ones I always get 100%.
So, saying that, I need help on other methods, just need to get HQ items that are the same lvl as me, I dont really need higher lvl than Iam.
So any tips, guides, rotation or whatever u guys know would be cool, so anyway,
Thanks!

If you want a guarantee of HQing something hasty touch spam is the right way to go but that method kinda sucks without Waste Not (15 leatherworking, half durability loss for 4 turns) and Tricks of the Trade (15 alchemy, can use it to gain 20 CP on a turn with good condition).

To be honest when I'm leveling a new craft I never have the patience to max out quality on each synth. I'll use as few moves as possible to get it to a decent level then just finish it. My standard leveling rotation for quality involves Innovation (50 goldsmithing, +50% control for 3 turns) but you can do something like this:

Inner Quiet->Great Strides->Steady Hand->if good condition: strongest quality move available, if normal increase progress then use quality move on the next turn->more great strides + strongest touch until out of CP.



If you have the patience to pick up those two moves I mentioned earlier the easiest rotation is:

Inner Quiet->Waste Not->Hasty Touch spam->if durability is above 20 reapply Waste Not and resume spamming Hasty Touch->when durability gets low enough use Master's Mend or an equivalent move and keep going. The idea is to build up as many inner quiet charges as possible and then finish with a Great Strides + strong touch move. You use Tricks of the Trade EVERY time a good condition pops up before this point. It doesn't matter if Waste Not is up, use it anyway. Increase the progress when Waste Not is up as well. You might notice I don't use Steady Hand for this. I might if I had Steady Hand II but it's up to you.

With some extra moves to throw into the rotation like Comfort Zone and Rumination, and a bit of luck, you can turn a 40 durability craft into 40+ steps and end with 100% HQ and CP to spare. If you haven't already pick up some CP food from camp drybone for something like 35 gil each. It gives a 3% XP boost for 30 mins and extra CP means more mending.

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Yeah thats what I as looking for, thanks a lot man going for tests now!

Get carp to 50 for bygrots blessing. That's all im going to say.

Wow Kyra... so, you've been playing a while then, huh?

That's really REALLY impressive! Wow.

I had to look on the Lodestone just to see all those level 50's. How in the world did you keep the game interesting long enough to get all those? Just the Botany alone is starting to put me into a coma - and I LOVE this game!

I'm going to have to completely disagree with Nenin here. Waste Not is very situation and not very good most of the time. Anytime you have to use an ability that doesn't use up durability, you're wasting a proc (such as using Tricks of the Trade on a "good"). For 40 durability synths, Manipulation is much better as its durability/cp value is never wasted. For higher durability synths, you're better of sticking with master's mend I/II to restore your durability.

The best advice I can give you is to get everything to 15 for those cross-class skills. They are all good in the right situation, but some are just amazing all the time. MVPs are Hasty Touch, Tricks of the Trade, Rumination, and Manipulation. I'm currently working on getting culinary to 37 for Steady Hand 2 because it seems amazing as well.

The most important class for me is ALC for Tricks of Trade and Comfort Zone.
Blacksmith for Ingenuity II is great for reciepes at, or above your level (although it reduces effectiveness of Careful Synthesis on lower level reciepes which is strange)
Culinarian for Hasty Touch (don't use without Steady Hands if possible)
Goldsmithing for Innovation (this together with Inner Quiet, Ingenuity II and Great Strides creates some amazing quality numbers)
Weaver for Careful Synthesis I/II (100% success rate and 120% efficiency for Careful Synthesis II are great)

With these, Inner Quiet, Great Strides and Master's Mend I/II and Steady Hand I/II even HQing Twinthread, Darksteel, Rosegold,... becomes rather easy.

For your level you are doing everything right.
Just don't rely on Hasty Touch and Master's Mend too much. It requires alot of CP to get high quality this way.
I did this too for quiet some time but you need some luck to get HQ like that.

It's better if you try to find a sweet spot for using Inner Quiet+Hasty Touch+Steady Hand and then topping it with a Great Strides+Standard/Advanced Touch for a big quality boost.

1. Grab all +CP items you can equip.
2. Inner Quiet+Steady Hand+Hasty Touch -> use Tricks of Trade as often as you can to get CP back.
3. Do 5-10 successful Hasty Touches with a Master's Mend in between.
4. Use Great Strides and try to get a "Good" item condition by doing 1-2 Careful Synthesis/Basic Systhesis.
5. Use the highest Touch ability you got for a big quality boost.
6. Repeat 4.+5. till you have 100% quality or run out of CP or durability.
7. Use Rumination to get CP back and use them for finishing the synth.

After some tries you will know how many Careful/Basic Synthesis actions you will need to finish and what's a good number of Hasty Touches for the Inner Quiet boost.
Whenever you get excellent item condition, use the highest Touch ability you have. It's a big chunk of quality, even more if you have the Inner Quiet buff.

Don't get discouraged if you have problems HQing materials. The 40 durability make it harder to get high quality without the right abilities.
Finished items are easier to HQ, even with NQ materials.

I barely used HQ materials for any of my HQs. I think it makes crafting more interesting if it's not too easy...and the profits are better too ^^


EDIT: Stupid 1000 character limit ><

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Originally Posted by Kyana

Blacksmith for Ingenuity II is great for reciepes at, or above your level (although it reduces effectiveness of Careful Synthesis on lower level reciepes which is strange)

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Can't say it's strange, as the recipe forces the equipment to a certain level regardless of its current level, so lower level recipes will increase in level. Works as intended.

If you're short on money, I recommend that you only level Carpentry to 50, Blacksmith to 15, Weaving to 15, Alchemy to 15, Goldsmith to 50, Culinarian to 37. Obviously you would aim to max as many of these as possible, but generally Byregot's Blessing, Ingenuity, Careful Synth I, Tricks of the Trade, Innovation, Manipulation, Hasty Touch and Steady Hand II are the most important cross class abilities to get to do the basic craft rotations.

It's pretty much getting about 12%-18% quality off hasty/basic touch with Inner Quiet, then popping Innovation, Great Strides and oneshotting the bar with Byregot's Blessing (guaranteed 100% at 18% quality assuming base HQ was 1%, and no Good/Excellent modifiers affected quality).

However, if you're just doing same level crafts, then you can skip on Blacksmithing to 15. I would suggest getting all to 15, but if you want to save every penny possible then you can skip ingenuity until you plan to craft 1/2 star equipment.

Also, the 1000 character limit is a bit ridiculous. It should definitely be doubled so posts aren't cut so short.

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Originally Posted by Aceill

It's pretty much getting about 12%-18% quality off hasty/basic touch with Inner Quiet, then popping Innovation, Great Strides and oneshotting the bar with Byregot's Blessing (guaranteed 100% at 18% quality assuming base HQ was 1%, and no Good/Excellent modifiers affected quality).

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Hmm, maybe I'll try Byregot's Blessing again. I didn't find it that great in my previous attempts though.
I usually have enough CP left to do Great Strides+Innovation+Advanced Touch followed by another Great Strides+Advanced Touch (Innovation still active), then use Rumination and finish the synth.

Regarding Innovation: I thought it should lower the level of the recipe...now that I read it again, I wonder how I came to that conclusion ^^;

Well guys thanks for the support, going to try whatever i can to get cross class abilities first and then move to 50 crafting classes, thanks u!

I'm not a big fan of the Hasty Touch approach. The only way Hasty Touch spam works is if you get a lot of good procs. If you don't get any, or hardly get any, you end up ending early because you don't have any more CP for manipulation or steady hands. In short, it's not an endless process that allows you 100% HQ every time.

There's nothing wrong with using Waste Not, simply because you don't need CP from a good proc. The Hasty Touch spam is mostly going to work only with a lot of the good level 50 cross skills. It won't do you much good when you're leveling your first crafting class to 50 and have just a handful of the level 15 cross skills.

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Originally Posted by Bufkus

I'm not a big fan of the Hasty Touch approach. The only way Hasty Touch spam works is if you get a lot of good procs. If you don't get any, or hardly get any, you end up ending early because you don't have any more CP for manipulation or steady hands. In short, it's not an endless process that allows you 100% HQ every time.

There's nothing wrong with using Waste Not, simply because you don't need CP from a good proc. The Hasty Touch spam is mostly going to work only with a lot of the good level 50 cross skills. It won't do you much good when you're leveling your first crafting class to 50 and have just a handful of the level 15 cross skills.

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If you have suggestions that might help people HQ at low levels out by all means share with us otherwise what was suggested is a good strat even if risky at times.

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Originally Posted by Bufkus

I'm not a big fan of the Hasty Touch approach. The only way Hasty Touch spam works is if you get a lot of good procs. If you don't get any, or hardly get any, you end up ending early because you don't have any more CP for manipulation or steady hands. In short, it's not an endless process that allows you 100% HQ every time.

There's nothing wrong with using Waste Not, simply because you don't need CP from a good proc. The Hasty Touch spam is mostly going to work only with a lot of the good level 50 cross skills. It won't do you much good when you're leveling your first crafting class to 50 and have just a handful of the level 15 cross skills.

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Terrible advice.

With all of the 15 cross-class skills except for Rapid Synthesis and Ingenuity, I'm HQing nearly everything that's my level or lower on each of my classes that are still under 20. At 25 culinary, I'm HQing nearly everything that I can make at that level.

You're obviously doing it wrong.

Those are good rotations but not the best. I'll keep reading tho till someone nails it. You can hq t2 items at 100% with the proper rotation starting from 0/2950

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Originally Posted by Cromax

Terrible advice.

With all of the 15 cross-class skills except for Rapid Synthesis and Ingenuity, I'm HQing nearly everything that's my level or lower on each of my classes that are still under 20. At 25 culinary, I'm HQing nearly everything that I can make at that level.

You're obviously doing it wrong.

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1. Bufkus is right.
2. U said it. Level 25 syths. Take that same rotation ur using and hq t2 syths. I'm sure u will fail.

So any hints for first crafting class besides hasty touch?
I have now, 35 goldsmith and trying to level that first, but I also have Leather at 15, Alchemist 15 and Culinarian 15, acn u gimme a rotation with that in mind please?!
tyvm

Edit: 70 durability item

Best thing you can do is make sure you got all HQ version of your gear for control. Meld control to every piece of gear if got gil or means. Then on good or excellence use the right ability. stand touch ex. If durability is under 50, At under 50 then just use the cross jobs ability. So at 60-80 durability use, hasty touch, till 10/80, then master mend 2, then if can great strides, basic touch,standard touch, or advance touch if got them. Then might need use food items to get that extra cp bonuse. After hq about 8 or 10 items in a row , then the game sets it this way up so you got like 50/50 afterwards. but can make about 10 items hq in a row.

I just cant make a ????ing hq malachite bracelet for levee quests and that damn item is 5 lvl lower than me what am i doing wrong, please give me hints on rotations iam seriously pissed off

and btw which class is better for first crafting class lvl to 50?

If, for some reason, you cannot HQ something from NQ materials, there are several things to ask yourself :
Am I using the best gear available to me?
Is my gear HQ?
Is any of my gear broken?
Do I have all of the relevant crafting skills from other classes? Hasty Touch, Tricks of the Trade, Careful Synthesis, etc.?

Its a 70 Durability item. Assuming (and this may not be correct) that it would take you 3 Careful Synthesis to complete, this is how I would go about it :
Inner Quiet, Careful Synthesis, Steady Hand, 5 Hasty Touch. NOTE - if any Good conditions pop up, just Hasty Touch through them. This brings it down to 10/70 Durability.
Master's Mend 2, Careful Synthesis, Steady Hand, several Hasty Touch. On this leg, up until the last Touch, any time you see a Good condition, Tricks of the trade. Refresh Steady Hand if necessary. You get a total of 5 Touches this leg, do some mental math. You want to replace the LAST Touch actions, as best you can, with Standard Touch. You may get 3 Hasty Touch, 1 Basic Touch, and one Standard Touch. You may get 3 Hasty Touch and 2 Standard Touch. It all depends upon your CP and luck. Finish with one last Careful Synthesis.

Adjust depending upon the number of Careful Synthesis it takes for you to finish the recipe.

I love u man dude damn 100% hq since 2 careful synthesis needed and some different touch actions thanks a lot!