I've been playing this game for a bit now, and had a "WTF" moment. Thought I would share, since i do not see this anywhere else on the boards.
Currently, the only way to get shards/crystals/clusters was to use a gathering class and gather them. In 1.0 i was able to use my alchemist along with fish to create crystals/shards.
Does anyone know why these were removed? If not, I would like to have them implemented back into the game. Also, iirc, there were ways to convert shards to crystals to clusters and them down. Why was this taken out? Would like to have them re-enstated aswell.
Iirc, the old nomenclature was:
12 Shards <---> 1 Crystal
12 Crystals <---> 1 Cluster
There was also some re-agent that would be needed for conversion. What/Why would be removed from the game?
As a side note, speaking as a crafter/gatherer, this is crazy, given the current collection rates of shards and crystals is stupidly low (1 shard/crystal per swing). In 1.0 there was a chance you could get shards PLUS the item that you were trying to get.
Please "+1" if you would like my conversion recipes to be re-instated
Thank you
Shard/Crystal/Cluster Convertion Recipes, Please Re-Instate
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09-30-2013, 11:44 PMWulfiesShard/Crystal/Cluster Convertion Recipes, Please Re-Instate
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10-01-2013, 12:18 AMFeilina
You are incorrect.
You can get shards and crystals from elementals. I killed several of them and got reliably shards and crystals.
I killed the water ones near gridania and got watershards and i killed the wind ones in the south shroud and got crystals.
Those might not be enough for you but there is a second possibility.
(I'm lvl 26, i couldn't check if lvl 50 ones drop cluster, but it is most likely because FC members placed clusters in our bank, and these member only fight) -
10-01-2013, 12:21 AMGabbelgak
I'm 50 Botanist and do a ton of crafts and really don't see the point. Shard farming gives lowbies a viable method of obtaining gil from us higher players. If I could effectively change 1 cluster into 144 shards they would instantly lose all value.
I don't even farm shards, I buy all mine but a 144 conversion rate I would certainly farm them. Can get like 15 clusters an hour from a single node, 2160 shards for < 1 minute of farming? And 3 nodes spawn per Eozora day = 6,480 shards from a grand total of < 5 minutes of farming at 50? Where do I sign up!
This would be bad. -
10-01-2013, 01:26 AMWulfiesDo you always get crystals and shards? I have not always received crystals and shards from the sprites/elementals. I personally have not tried to hit the 46+ elementals but xivdb says that the only way to get the clusters are to mine them form the mining/logging "unspoiled nodes" in Mor Dhona.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feilina
In 1.0 i was able to turn 1 crystal into 4 crystals (Alchemist) with 1 red "something" (looked like a red lobster) or the 4 lightning shards for 12 lightning shards with a malm kelp or the 4 lightning shards for 12 shards of a different elemental aspect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gabbelgak
I really could care less about the shards/crystals, I am more interested in converting to clusters (most high end crafting stuff requires clusters clusters and more GD clusters). So do not allow backwards breakdown, only do creation to a higher level. Again, I have not had the time to farm the "un-spoiled nodes" in Mor Chona, so I do not know how many clusters you recieve each swing of the axe/pick (based on your math above you get 3 clusters per swing? I will assume that what it is.)
Again, with both points, this WAS avail in 1.0 but now, no longer. So the next question is, why? To make the current content last longer? -
10-01-2013, 02:31 AMNefGP
The severe decrease in supply of crystals has also served to sky rocket their price. I too, would like to see the old ALC recipes brought back. There were a bunch of recipes in 1.0 that allowed ALC & CUL to turn certain fish either directly into shards, or sands that would be used as a reagent in breaking down/merging other crystals. For example, you could break a crystal into 12 shards (more if you HQ'd) or take a bunch of shards and merge them into 1 crystal, it worked both ways.
Plus now Clusters are primarily gotten in Mor Dhona from those stupid Unspoiled locations making them exceedingly rare compared to 1.0, which only serves to further drive up the costs of the double-star recipes which are already questionable in value compared to Darklight or Relic. -
10-01-2013, 04:53 PMFeilinaThey drop reliably. Not every time but they do drop. In fact i killed the lvl 4/5 (?) elementals with a lvl 25 class and got 3-5 shards when they dropped. The possible kill speed speaks for itself. It's important to mention they i could nearly endlessly find new enemys.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wulfies
Those lvl 25 elementals grooped 1-3 crystals. I haven't been willing to test for a longer duration.
As I'm lvl 26 i couldn't test the lvl 50 ones, see for yourself.
They didn't shorten the amount to get. In fact getting shards out of fish was a huge mistake, from my honest opinion. (Gatherer can find an endless amount of shards.)
We only ever have been able to split clusters and crystals, we never could upgrade them. -
10-01-2013, 05:18 PMIrondoll
Elemetals farming is an inefficent and time consuming way to get shards and crystals. Would be a crazy way to support a crafting class.
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10-01-2013, 05:39 PMFeilina
Sure it is time consuming, so is gathering and splitting would become.
Inefficient? If there are enough elementals at lvl 50 to counter the spawn of nodes, not really.
At least my intention was to show a second possibility, what i did. And if he/she loves fight grinding it is worth a shot. -
10-01-2013, 06:13 PMIrondollIf they are so easy to get . Why gillsellers started to botfarming and sell them for irl money?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gabbelgak
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10-01-2013, 08:22 PMFeilina
erhm.. yeah... because they are?:rolleyes:
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10-01-2013, 08:56 PMIrondollYes they are as is clear that you have noclues about what happens in the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feilina
I suggest you to spend more time farming raw materials and less trolling the forums , I got 3 tell yesterday from gs bots the price is 2,55$ for 100 shards and I areported 2 teleporting bots , if you wanna see them check where you can mine iron nuggets they tp around just below the ground usually you can see just the name and hear when they strike the mining node. -
10-01-2013, 10:47 PMWulfiesshards from fish was an awesome idea. I used the fish to convert a ton of my shards from one to another in order to work on crafts. I was mining alot of earth but needed lightning, I would use alchemist skills to turn em into lightning and wind and the ratios were amazing 2:1 return and the cost of the fish was less than the cost of buying the 4 shards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feilina
Personally, elemental farming seems very inefficient to me. /shrug. But that is just me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feilina
+1 to that!Quote:
Originally Posted by Feilina
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10-02-2013, 08:33 AMSchubaltsRMTs are selling shards and crystals because crafters need large amounts of them to do anything, and there are people willing to pay real money for them. Any level 1 gatherer can get shards easily. The only issue is the amount of time it takes to get the hundreds of shards that crafters can go through.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irondoll
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10-03-2013, 05:32 AMWulfiesHence, this is why I want the recipes, especially the aspect conversion ones from 1.0. It would be a fringe benefit to know that i can be self sufficient if i knew that talking a Malm Kelp and 4 lightning shards I can create 12 lightning shards, maybe 16 if i "HQ" the synth. This might put a slight damper in the RMT world since the demand would dry up a bit, so fringe benefit. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Schubalts
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10-04-2013, 03:37 AMKsenia
It does say something when the only section of the gaming community that like shard farming is the Vietnamese prison community..
Instead of shoes, can we have a ball and chain for mining and Botany? Maybe an orange jump suit to go with it?