Duty Finder needs vote-kick

Duty Finder needs vote-kick.

Anyone agrees? Let's vote!

As a DPS who has to wait for ages for new party in duty finder I disagree as I want to force party to stick together to the end no matter what I disagree.

As someone who hates it when people do not communicate AT ALL, yeah. I do agree... Sadly this could just make this community more like WoW... I like that the game enforces you to try to teach people how to play the game instand of the whole party kicking you out. That is how I want it, sadly there is griefers who tries to ruin everything and it sucks when you have to leave. ESPECIALLY as a dps...

No, thank you.

would be a nice idea but I fear it would be abused by elitist to kick people new to the dungeon

I am against personally.
DF can already be pretty nasty at time so no need to make it worth.
At this rate when new player will arrive at 50 on their first job they will want to quit the game because kicked because new, kicked because equipment, kicked because don't know the dungeon or the boss, kicked because aggro...
really, no thank you

I can see this happening a lot.

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Originally Posted by Ageofwar

would be a nice idea but I fear it would be abused by elitist to kick people new to the dungeon

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I vote no for the same reason as Lunavi.

I agree with huge potential for abuse, but with conditions it might work. If you can only vote once an hour, you can't setup a vote until 20 minutes in, etc. If people try to wait the time penalty to kick, they might not have time to finish. In the case of speed runs, you can make it so the vote timer doesn't end until say 20 percent of the average run time. This ensure some progression before a kick so you aren't screwing the person you pick up to take their place.

As much as I would like it sometimes, no. It would be abused. And I think it would bring out the worst in people. Even if it took everyone else voting kick to get rid of someone, you could see two people ganging up on a third if they don't vote to kick the fourth.

What we need is for people to start behaving like adults and have some patience and understanding. The game doesn't need to change. Some people just need to grow up.

no thank you

I whole heartily believe this to be true, a vote-kick would be great but the only problem to that is Tanks are a pain to come by and healers are 2nd up in that running. People normally don't like to pursue a partially completely dungeon because they miss out on loot. I think they should implement cross server dungeons like they have in WoW to be honest just so if they implement a kicking feature for the slackers then the wait time wont outweigh the cost.

In a virtual reality, that's like asking for miracles :P

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Originally Posted by Professor_JoJo

I whole heartily believe this to be true, a vote-kick would be great but the only problem to that is Tanks are a pain to come by and healers are 2nd up in that running. People normally don't like to pursue a partially completely dungeon because they miss out on loot. I think they should implement cross server dungeons like they have in WoW to be honest just so if they implement a kicking feature for the slackers then the wait time wont outweigh the cost.

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Afaik duty finder is already cross server(servers are split into df groups afaik)

AFKs are honestly a much bigger issue than potential abuse of vote kick, but not everyone agrees, so oh well.
Me and my tank friends will just keep leaving when we get an afk, instead of being able to kick the afk.
Sucks for the other member/s of the group, but its not worth the grief for me to try to 3/7man the dungeon.

1. People are intentionally perma AFK looking for a free win. Kick them.

2. People want to quit (or troll) your primal fight but don't want to leave and get the quit timer. They strip naked and intentionally try to wipe your group, forcing someone else to quit to avoid repair costs. Kick them.

3. Someone, despite tips and pointers and feedback, still cannot perform their role. Or they are severely undergeared for the content (I'm talking 2400 HP, level 35 weapon for Titan hard mode, which I have seen). Or they don't understand fundamentals of their class like how to tank and won't listen. Kick them.

Even if the kicked person is a tank or healer and you might not find a replacement, you'll at least get the benefit of not suffering a quit penalty because someone is AFK, trolling, or incompetent.

big NO

i am whm, and i know how pain it is to wait as dps.
waitin for more than 1 hr, get in to dungeon, get kicked. damn, that will be very hurt

No, thanks.

There are some pros to the idea, but I can easily see it getting abused. Noob watching dungeon cutscenes, kick. Group of FC friendsies wanting to grief, kick. See what I'm saying?

yes please. How can people say no to such a feature? I mean haven't u had the bots in your group which are TRYING to make you leave so they can get their tin ? Would be much easier to kick that retard. Remember that time when that idiot dps kept ninja pulling 24/7 instead of letting tank grab aggro? yes please. And about the wait queue for dps being so long, well if they get kicked for being bad they will learn their class proper and community will become better since people wont be all like "ueeh i waited 2 hrs for this and i get kicked?!" I mean its obviously your fault for not knowing your class.. I'm a tank myself, and tbh I am tired of retards, they can go back to playing WoW where nothing matters :)

It is not that simple all tanks out there. In difference to you guys we DPS's actually has to stand in a queue for up to 3 hours to join instances at worst. At best we might be in in 1 hour. Kick griefers would be far worse for us than one guy AFKing in an 8 man. I would love that we could have it, but currently we can't. I can just image how all DPS's without DL relic would get kicked out of every DF group because there are so many other DPSs standing in that queue that it would be easy to just skip til' DL relic geared, and I do not doubt that 90% of DF groups would do that as it stands today.

No.

Potential for abuse and harassment is too damn high.

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Originally Posted by Lunavi

Kick griefers would be far worse for us than one guy AFKing in an 8 man.

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I was in a CM last night where first tank was lousy and then dropped group during the first boss fight. Next tank wouldn't move. Group crumbled because there was no kick option and people didn't want to carry leach.

So queue timer + no reward < queue timer + kick nonresponsive players so you can carry on.

I say no. I think it would be a bad idea.

How can you say it would be bad? I mean in wow, there is horrible queues for dps too, still you dont kick them without a reason.. and wow has worst community ever, yet it is rare that u get groups kicking you for no reason at all.. So please, be a little more reasonable.. I don't care if u waited 3 hours, or 50 hours, if you can't do your job properly you are just dead weight for the rest of the group. And no, I am not referring to your gear, rather your skills with your class.

From what I have read around this forum about end game community so do I have a feeling this would happen. I might be wrong, but all these jerks undressing seems to already try to do this to not get the DF penality.

Also, my point was not based on wait times = entitlement which you should understand if you read what I wrote. It is that I find far more tanks willing to do this than DPS classes which is pretty likely based around how long you have to wait to get a new try and that DPS's are easier to replace than a tank. If you kick tank or healer (beside of trials where only 1 successful boss fight is needed) I think it will be very unlikely that you will finish in time giving both tanks and healers a very sweet safe from being kicked.

Yes, a run might be doomed to fail from start, but then there is always the option to leave yourself (which alot of people seem to forget) The penality is not so bad if you consider the queue times.

I am just saying that a kick system right now would be very unfair in the favor of tanks and healers which I as a DPS thinks leave a bad taste in my mouth. I would as I said aswell love to see one and that it worked, but right now I fear that would just slow down the overall progress as alot of groups would kick people without relics from primal hard modes which are actually NEEDED to get that weapon.

no .

You on pot ? Why is it in favor of a tank or healer? if they are bad, they get kicked, and replaced... doesn't matter whether you area dps, healer or tank... For it to be in FAVOR of tanks or healers, it would have to give them something for getting kicked.. I'm tired of hearing that it wouldn't work.. They have it in wow, and it works, and wow has worse community than this game.

Why would I leave myself when I could just kick that one retard f*cking our whole group up? I don't get your logic.. DPS ain't left with the shortstick, they are 2/4 of the grp.. if the tank is bad he will be kicked, simple as that.

But they are "given" something DPS classes aren't, they are given instant access to the next raid while a DPS has to wait sometimes several hours. Also, I have almost never had a tank or healer join after a kick (it happens like 1/5 times that we get eighter while we still have a chance to complete dungeon) while DPS's do so simply because the queue times are too long which means it takes more for a tank or healer to get kicked than it might take for a DPS as that will not risk total failure. The reason it works better in WoW is because the balance between amount of DPS's and healers and tanks is more balanced due to the fact that you need 3 DPS for 5 man while here you just need 2 for 4. In WoW I have actually seen queues where we wait for DPS, something I have never ever witnessed in this game.

Do not get me wrong please, I want it to work, but I do not want to risk that DPS, a role that already has it bad in DF, to eventually get it even worse. The queue times are obviously a problem you are unaware of, and I do not blame you. But DPS classes does not have instant queue for like 90% of the content in the game. There is a fine leave button if you are unhappy with the current PUG. But maybe it could work, I can hardly see another DPS wanting to kick the other DPS for being undergeared as he might be next in turn for kick..

I did play DPS a bit, queues were around 20-30 mins, but i only did like max 10 dungeons :)

Lucky, have had to wait atleast 2-3 hours in most 50 content. Luckly I am leveling crafting when I do not run dungeons, decreases downtime ALOT! Gonna roll healer later today though, :) Looked forward to do something else than DPSing for once. ^^

The tank and healer can be replaced quickly, sure, but the DPS que time is ginormous in comparison. For anything other than Endgame content (WP to HM's) the vote-kick option would be hell on everyone. The End game would then have a constant flow of "oh i don't want a summoner, i want a Bard", "This tank should be a Paladin, so lets kick for a Paladin", "I need the drops from this run so lets kick anyone who might need my gear". Get the drift?

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Originally Posted by Grids

The tank and healer can be replaced quickly, sure, but the DPS que time is ginormous in comparison. For anything other than Endgame content (WP to HM's) the vote-kick option would be hell on everyone. The End game would then have a constant flow of "oh i don't want a summoner, i want a Bard", "This tank should be a Paladin, so lets kick for a Paladin", "I need the drops from this run so lets kick anyone who might need my gear". Get the drift?

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like I have said already this would be nice but I fear abuse by elitists to get the perfect party instantly.

I think this is a bad idea. After waiting 45min to an hour to be linked with a party only to get kicked would really be irritating. Maybe something where you could vote on a rank-up / rank down and the duty finder would do it's best to link similar players together. I think that class/job discrimination would happen far to often if you let players kick a PC out of a duty. What I hate is when a character is running a dungeon just for gear and leaves a party in the middle of the run, I do wish I could rank a player down for doing something like that, but there is no point in kicking them if they have already left. I would just rather not play with that type of PC. But part of the fun is being surprised by the way people play, sometimes you mesh other times you want to tear your hair out.