Skill Discussion : Leeches

I think it's unfair how WHM's Esuna is better than Leeches, Esuna has a 20% chance to cost no mana. They both have the same exact mana cost and cast time, since Leeches is a Level 40 JOB skill I think it should be given something to compensate.

It has practically no cast time which means you can move and cast it at the same time... Esuna has a small cast time... I think it compensates enough...

I'm just happy to have an esuna-like ability on scholar. I'm not about to complain lol

your a scholar, mana is not a problem.... whm's have mana problems. Their 2 different types of healers and theirs a reason why the classes are the way they are

I think the built in chance to be free for both Esuna and their Cures spells are to make up for their lack of active mp regen skills I think. I haven't got a white mage yet (just done my scholar to 50, doing up conj),

or better yet, esuna should be cross classed and we get an actual job ability to replace it instead of a literal copy of esuna

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Originally Posted by TeddyPrime

It has practically no cast time which means you can move and cast it at the same time... Esuna has a small cast time... I think it compensates enough...

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both esuna and leeches have the exact same cast time http://xivdb.com/?skill/126/Esuna http://xivdb.com/?skill/187/Leeches

Honestly I just want Leeches earlier than 40. Not having Leeches for things like Brayflox's Longstop was really annoying. Sure, if people are on the ball you never really needed it, but that's not something we should be forced to rely on with Duty Finder groups.

I have never run out of mana, even on titan

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Originally Posted by Cimegs5088

I think the built in chance to be free for both Esuna and their Cures spells are to make up for their lack of active mp regen skills I think. I haven't got a white mage yet (just done my scholar to 50, doing up conj),

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It really doesn't. lol

I've honestly never ever seen Esuna pop the 20% mana thing (I know it's on the tooltip), is it a buff or something?

yeah I mean, consider that our preventive heals such as succor and adloquim are quite costly, buggy pet ai, and energy drain missing (60% of our regen gone as 2 energy drain recovers almost the amount of 1 Aetherflow) in end game, the gap would be close, with the higher healing amount whm has, I think the gap would be close. It's just my speculation. I do agree that in light party dungeons scholar's mana regen is far superior as compared to whm.

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I've honestly never ever seen Esuna pop the 20% mana thing (I know it's on the tooltip), is it a buff or something?

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From what I've seen, Esuna just simply doesn't consume mana every now and then, rather than getting some buff stating that the next Esuna is free.

As for Leeches, the idea I like the most if it had a secondary effect similar to Astra/Veil from other FF games. Works like a plain Esuna, but if it doesn't dispel a debuff, it will instead place a shield for X seconds that will prevent the next debuff from affecting the target. Feels a bit in line with the Scholar's toolkit of prevention and mitigation.

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Originally Posted by Syncness

I've honestly never ever seen Esuna pop the 20% mana thing (I know it's on the tooltip), is it a buff or something?

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I didn't even know such a thing existed. I vaguely remember something in beta about esuna sometimes triggering a buff to make your next one AoE but that was terrible, not exactly something you could rely on.

Just level white mage if you want Esuna? I notice no difference at all dispeling on my scholar vs my white mage. The "bonus" might as well not even be there.

The Esuna bonus is for mp conservation. Leeches doesn't need a change I would just like to have got it right at 30. 50 SCH and healed all dungeons from Bayfrox on with it without any troubles but I am currently leveling my WHM up and yeah things are simply easier. I do love the SCH play style but I never imagined the absolute ease of WHM.

Sorry for the sidetrack. ^^

WHM here, the 20% free proc is just there to offset WHMs' lack of MP management. It's an afterthought. I do feel that leeches should have an identity that sets it apart, making it instant cast as an option. I think the spell should be reworked and taken a bit more literally.

You're throwing leeches on someone, aren't you? Have the leeches stay as a buff on the target that trigger when they're afflicted in the form a heal depending on the duration the leeches have been on the target. For every 3 seconds the leeches are active, a stack is placed on the target, up to 10 stacks after 30 seconds for a 300 potency heal.

Just SOMETHING that makes it different from Esuna, preferably something small to make up for it's group healing weakness.

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Originally Posted by Raminax

From what I've seen, Esuna just simply doesn't consume mana every now and then, rather than getting some buff stating that the next Esuna is free.

As for Leeches, the idea I like the most if it had a secondary effect similar to Astra/Veil from other FF games. Works like a plain Esuna, but if it doesn't dispel a debuff, it will instead place a shield for X seconds that will prevent the next debuff from affecting the target. Feels a bit in line with the Scholar's toolkit of prevention and mitigation.

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Oooo i like this. Course, it'd be nearly worthless cus almost no fights spam a consistent dot on a single target. But more shiny shield buffs is always cool.

Also, relic whm with more time spent playing whm than I want to admit... i totally never knew that about esuna. I'ma just go ahead and say its so minor its not worth worrying about as it being a major edge for one class or the other. If anything, I feel like I am spending more of my mana on esuna as whm (to the point I feel the desire to not cast it as whm) while on sch I never seem to notice the cost.


If we are going to change anythign about sch,: When you are summoning, the quill in your hand matches the one on Omnilex, but the quill in omnilex doesn't disappear. This is ruining my immersion. Clearly, the most important change sch needs is a hotpatch to make it so the quill on omnilex disappears during summoning.

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Originally Posted by Khoi

I think it's unfair how WHM's Esuna is better than Leeches, Esuna has a 20% chance to cost no mana. They both have the same exact mana cost and cast time, since Leeches is a Level 40 JOB skill I think it should be given something to compensate.

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WHM should have a fairy that does most of the curing for it too, right? And an AOE that makes everyone in it take less damage, right? And heals that give damage reduction, right?

-facedesk-

Dispelling is one of those things that either you have to do or don't have to do. Either it's critical, or not- and if it is the healer HAS to do it.

I would be fine with both classes having both esuna and leeches.

Esuna, lower level would act as it does.

Leeches, higher level would last 5 seconds and dispell every 2 seconds... or 6 seconds and dispell every 2, and cost more mana. It would be used either pre-emptively, or used to pulse off multiple status effects.

Most games have some kind of removal and improved renewal like these.

Edit: Leeches is a nasty name, though. I mean- really. Purify, or Cleanse... or something besides leeches? They didn't name Adloquium -"Tournaquet" ... or "Amputate"... why so primitive and gross? ...and while we're at it- Why is the SCH heal Adlo/Succor... and Conj is Cure/Medica???

Seems like it should be Adlo/Medica and Cure/Succor - Thematically, those names go together better. One sounds more... Greek/Latin or something, while the other more new age spiritual soothing...(just talking names, not spell mechanics)

It's kind of lame that our level 40 job ability is an exact clone of Esuna. Not saying that Scholars should get an ability better than Esuna, but it's quite boring, considering it is supposed to be one of the 5 abilities that define us as Scholars.

All topics focused on the discussion of direct comparisons for one skill on scholars vs. white mages with no mention of overall toolkits should be banned.