it showing game developers forgot how to make game in this my technology has bigger stats than yours era of gaming.
everything is a clone of something else. now when you play a game everything is the same down to the buttons & interface.
i think its all the proprietary tools that are out there is making them lazy since it cuts down on work and they forget the fundamentals of there trade since they dont have to think hard anymore just cut and paste. even with all the tools they get bigger time frames and only have to do half the work with that they frogot how to design a game and turn ideas into gameplay.
developers frogot.
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05-09-2011, 07:00 AMindiradevelopers frogot.
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05-09-2011, 07:02 AMColino
what am I reading?
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05-09-2011, 07:08 AMMug
The developers said they were sorry and sent me this card -> Clicky!
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05-09-2011, 07:13 AMNeptune
i agree. if anything, ffxiv's launch shows that players want gameplay over graphics.
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05-09-2011, 08:29 AMJennestia
As a developer I'd like to know where your information is coming from lol. There is nothing cutting down our development time beyond needing to do basic infrastructure that engines take care of these days, e.g we no longer need to program a custom camera view point as they now come prebuilt in various setups.
XIV is a badly optimized rush job, that's it. -
05-09-2011, 09:10 AMChreesI spent like a good minute laughing at this. Thank you for that. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mug
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05-09-2011, 09:11 AMviionBut the engine was still being built while XIV was, and is still as of now lacks many features.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jennestia
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05-09-2011, 09:36 AMJennestiaXIII and Versus XIII seems otherwise. XIV lacks features because it was rushed out and they wanted to make the game as different from XI as possible which included throwing out even the basics, you can't begin building a game before even the engine is near complete, XIV's development picked up around 2007, XIII was moved to the white engine/crystal tools around 2008 and finally finished in 2009, if you seen Versus XIII footage, it shows that it has features previous CT games didn't and it's been in development same time as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by viion
XIV as said, is an unoptimized rush job, design wise they decided to go against XI instead of build off of XI which was the main problem. It didn't have to be a clone, but every MMO out today builds off of some kind of base. -
05-09-2011, 09:50 AMviionI think you missed my point. I was talking about the engine, lacking many features. Not XIV or any other game on CT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jennestia
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05-09-2011, 09:55 AMgifthorseI can agree with rush job, but FFXIV built off of classic MMOs like Ultima Online and Lineage as a base, and kept some similarities to FFXI like quest structure, world structure (3 starting cities and a fourth friendly city), similar battle dynamics ("holy trinity"), and races.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jennestia
One day I hope to read one of your posts that doesnt end with "FFXIV strayed too far away from FFXI and that was their problem."
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05-09-2011, 10:25 AMindira
im was speaking in genreral, and yeah it carrys over in to ffxiv.
nothing cut down ffxiv dev time cuz they were making the engine and making ffxiv with ffxiii so they screwed them selfs 3 times the work. "we no longer need to program a custom camera view point as they now come prebuilt in various setups" well that the job of the engine, dont think your really a dev if you tossed out that sentence, or just a lazy one who dont know much.Quote:
As a developer I'd like to know where your information is coming from lol. There is nothing cutting down our development time beyond needing to do basic infrastructure that engines take care of these days, e.g we no longer need to program a custom camera view point as they now come prebuilt in various setups.
SE's managment just sucks plain and simple took on more work than there teams can handle and its showing. -
05-09-2011, 10:31 AMJennestiaYou may want to reread:Quote:
Originally Posted by indira
Do you think we "suddenly discovered" how to do over the shoulder cameras for shooters? lol, it was a custom built camera control system which recent updates, you no longer have to do much custom designing as the engines now take care quite a bit by default that USED to have to be done manually.Quote:
that engines take care of these days, e.g we no longer need to program a custom camera view point as they now come prebuilt in various setups.
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05-09-2011, 10:40 AMMack
Its got nothing to do with advancement of technology and everything to do with mass production. We're like sheep, we eat everything they throw at us and so they come up with techniques to make games faster. If they can pump out a game that will sell well every year they would do it in other words. Look at Assassin's Creed for example: the game was initially supposed to be a trilogy and each entry was supposed to pit you in a new era, suddenly they turned it around to limit resources and reused a lot of stuff from AC2 to make Brotherhood just so they add online so people get hooked (much like what the CoD series accomplished except I doubt AC will touch CoD in terms of success) and now they're putting out another AC game soon...this is in the span of what? 5 years max? that's what ruined games.
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05-09-2011, 10:46 AMJoeking
Yeah! Developers stop forgetting to frogot!?
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05-09-2011, 10:53 AMElkwoodDo you have experience programming in Crystal Tools? Please with your vast experience, also including professional references in using this system to program; explain what features the program does not allow for. Is the Client badly optimized and can that be fixed yes, but please you never used the engine before so don't spread rumors as to what it can and cannot do.Quote:
Originally Posted by viion
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05-09-2011, 11:04 AMKilta_Firelotus
I love people and their tin foil hat theories. :)
rush job? proove this. And don't say "just look at the game".
Sorry I am getting annoyed if not highly irritated with this RUMORED theory.
If your talking about the letter of appology? Then you guys misread it and never looked at announcements talking about how they had server stability issues. Which I would believe lead to alot of the "missing conent" that ended up getting scraped anyway. Remember beta clients are not exactly built like a full client. It has a down graded "firewall" if you wanna call it that which allows bugs to be seen and handled.
Sorry id like to see concrete evidence on how ffxiv was a rish job. And trust me with all the games I've played I know what a rush job looks like.
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05-09-2011, 11:07 AMMackYou think SE had content sitting there but due to server "instability" didn't release that content and then decided to scrap it? this wouldn't sound right to any thinking person.Quote:
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05-09-2011, 11:51 AMKurokikaze
Another stupid post by Kilta. No fucking way. LOL
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05-09-2011, 12:18 PMAshelyRiotthis, btw yes Kilta the game was indeed rushed. "look at the game" ;PQuote:
Originally Posted by Kurokikaze
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05-09-2011, 12:22 PMJoekingPerhaps its wasn't rushed SE just expected its community to be stupid and naive, all is as intended.Quote:
Originally Posted by AshelyRiot
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05-09-2011, 01:33 PMJennestiaNah, it was rushed lol. There's a lot of "fresh from the dev room" errors that were present which they admitted they spent a lot more time debugging the game itself than developing for it. Like I said, remember the time frame iit was released and the lack of major titles for SE at the time, they pushed it out to try to push their revenue etc.Quote:
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05-09-2011, 01:41 PMJoekingPerhaps.. hmm... Lets just tell the story our individual ways, my theory is more exciting!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jennestia
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05-10-2011, 09:57 AMNeptuneAmen brother gifthorse.Quote:
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05-10-2011, 10:08 AMviionhuh? What does "Programming in Crystal Tools" mean? You dont program in it, its an engine, it will use a typical embeded scripting language (i doubt its own right now).Quote:
Originally Posted by Elkwood
You can also find the list of features online which have been published by SE.
Why dont you check the lists and look at what it lacks :D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_Tools
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CryEngine_3
http://www.unrealengine.com/features
Crystal Tools has only been stable for little of 2years, much-much less than developers who focus on the engine, SE focus on trying to do to much. -
05-10-2011, 03:49 PMSykora727
More complaints of the obvious things being fixed and some exaggeration. This isn't thread constructive at all.
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05-10-2011, 10:35 PMElexiaYou also ignore the fact the features posted on CT are the FOCUS elements, at least read what you're trying to pass off as proof:Quote:
Originally Posted by viion
It's a graphically focused engine, it doesn't "lack" features as it's a supplemental engine. The only thing is XIV was DESIGNED with a lack of optimized and basic features because they wanted to make it different from XI as well as having a server side UI heavily limits what you can do.Quote:
The engine was developed with the aims of being able to create advanced facial animations and to have a single 3D format throughout the company.