Swiftcast Summons

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09-27-2013, 02:52 AM
pandabearcat

Swiftcast Summons

Hey fellow Summoners,

I was wondering, people have said Ifrit autoattack is stronger than Garudas.

So that gets me thinking, has anyone tried to swiftcast summon ifrit after every contagion?

It would go something like

Garuda -> Contagion
Swiftcast -> Ifrit
Swiftcast -> Garuda -> Contagion
Contagion -> Swiftcast -> Ifrit

So you'd have ifrit up half the time and garuda up half the time.

Has anyone tested this? Is the loss in mana too harsh w/o a bard? Is the damage increase worth a GCD?

Also on the topic of marginal dps increases, do you autoattack while casting?
09-27-2013, 03:12 AM
Karnage720

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Originally Posted by pandabearcat

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I would assume people don't do this because A. They save swiftcast for instant raises and B. Ifrit dies a lot due to AOEs. Im not end game yet so I can't say yay or nay, but going by what Ive read here, I would assume thats the answer.
09-27-2013, 03:15 AM
Kyronex

Their difference in DPS is hardly noticeable. I only use Ifrit on trash mobs since he's melee and dies way too easily to boss AOEs.

Also, even though it's swiftcasted it still takes time for Ifrit to "fly" towards the mob before it can attack and you're losing dps in the process.

Autoattack? You mean whacking things with your book? No, you don't autoattack while in a casting animation (not that I've noticed). You shouldn't be in melee range anyways.
09-27-2013, 03:49 AM
Karnage720

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Originally Posted by Kyronex

Their difference in DPS is hardly noticeable. I only use Ifrit on trash mobs since he's melee and dies way too easily to boss AOEs.

Also, even though it's swiftcasted it still takes time for Ifrit to "fly" towards the mob before it can attack and you're losing dps in the process.

Autoattack? You mean whacking things with your book? No, you don't autoattack while in a casting animation (not that I've noticed). You shouldn't be in melee range anyways.

Do summoners even have auto attack? I have NEVER hit anything with my book if we have lol. I was always under the impression that we didnt
09-27-2013, 03:53 AM
pandabearcat

We do have an autoattack.

I believe since it is a melee autoattack, the modifier for it is STR instead of INT, making it exceptionally weak.

But it does exist, and Kevee suggested being in melee range of boss for miasma 2, which I haven't tried but if you can hit the boss with a book too might as well do it.
09-27-2013, 03:56 AM
Karnage720

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Originally Posted by pandabearcat

We do have an autoattack.

I believe since it is a melee autoattack, the modifier for it is STR instead of INT, making it exceptionally weak.

But it does exist, and Kevee suggested being in melee range of boss for miasma 2, which I haven't tried but if you can hit the boss with a book too might as well do it.

Learn something new every day, I really had no clue. I don't have Miasma II so I can't test it out, but do you HAVE to be in melee range to cast it?
09-27-2013, 03:59 AM
Kevee

Costs too much mana to do effectively.

I had a similar idea of using Ifrit for Enkindle and then bringing Garuda back in.

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Originally Posted by Karnage720

Learn something new every day, I really had no clue. I don't have Miasma II so I can't test it out, but do you HAVE to be in melee range to cast it?

Miasma II is an AoE around the caster, so yeah.

Also my auto attack hits for ~60-70. It's not automatically toggled on. You either have to toggle it, or right click the mob to turn it on.
09-27-2013, 04:05 AM
Karnage720

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Originally Posted by Kevee

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Got it! I wish you were on my server so that I can pick your brain. Too bad this forum doesn't a PM system. Let me ask you a question tho, off topic but smn related. How does my rotation look:

RS>Bio 2>Miasma>Bio>Fester>Thunder>Shining Emerald>

Im currently lvl 40 and since then Ive been using EmCarb for any boss fights. Let me know what you think, thanks!
09-27-2013, 04:07 AM
Kevee

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Originally Posted by Karnage720

Got it! I wish you were on my server so that I can pick your brain. Too bad this forum doesn't a PM system. Let me ask you a question tho, off topic but smn related. How does my rotation look:

RS>Bio 2>Miasma>Bio>Fester>Thunder>Shining Emerald>

Im currently lvl 40 and since then Ive been using EmCarb for any boss fights. Let me know what you think, thanks!

I don't use RS first at my gear level due to aggro issues(and not having quelling strikes), but if you're not pulling aggro that would be an effective way of doing it. As long as you get 2 festers in every RS, and Contagion/SE in every RS, that is good.
09-27-2013, 04:17 AM
Karnage720

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Originally Posted by Kevee

I don't use RS first at my gear level due to aggro issues(and not having quelling strikes), but if you're not pulling aggro that would be an effective way of doing it. As long as you get 2 festers in every RS, and Contagion/SE in every RS, that is good.

Great! I noticed even before I got RS I was pulling aggro all the time during the beginning minute(s) of a fight(which sucks!) Also, I used to do shining emerald and THEN thunder before I realized that it was also increased by it.

Gear wise, how should i approach it. Right now my priorities are as follow: INT>Crit> DET....But lately Ive been thinking to do DET over Crit for better overall damage as opposed to a CHANCE at CRIT.
09-27-2013, 04:22 AM
Kevee

Never use Ifrit.

His attack seems to scale off of STR(or maybe the physical damage/auto attack on the book, rather than magical). It's 120 potency but hitting for ~120-130. Garudas 100 potency is hitting for ~180-190. Auto attacks don't make up the difference in pet alone, not even mentioning Contagion.

http://i.imgur.com/3XFBXwD.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/3XFBXwD.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/dfWmvnz.png
http://i.imgur.com/dfWmvnz.png

Reasoning on why I think Ifrit is lower: It's splitting the crits between a weaker and stronger attack, rather than just a single stronger attack. It's better to crit on a bigger hit than it is a small one, and if you have equal crit chance the bigger will win on the same timers.

Some longer parses(note the parser is 100% accurate for pets. Everything is logged, no DoTs):

http://i.imgur.com/pc1GaZs.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/pc1GaZs.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/7cQHHJu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/7cQHHJu.jpg

tl;dr

Don't use Ifrit.

Ever.
09-27-2013, 04:23 AM
Kevee

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Originally Posted by Karnage720

Great! I noticed even before I got RS I was pulling aggro all the time during the beginning minute(s) of a fight(which sucks!) Also, I used to do shining emerald and THEN thunder before I realized that it was also increased by it.

Gear wise, how should i approach it. Right now my priorities are as follow: INT>Crit> DET....But lately Ive been thinking to do DET over Crit for better overall damage as opposed to a CHANCE at CRIT.

I do Acc(until 451 cap) > Int > Crit > Det=Spell Speed. Basically, maximize Int and Crit and then whatever secondary stats are on the pieces I'm fine with.