Most Profitable/efficient DoH?

Hi. I will hit lvl 50 on my DoW soon. After that i would like to level a DoH. But which one? I dont think i will have the time to level more than 1 DoH to 50. So i wanted to know which DoH can make good money but is still not that hard/costly to level?

thanks

Can't tell which one make money. But can tell you bsm can't make money.

Goldsmith used to be able to make a lot of money, but now the whole server and their dogs are lvl 50 goldsmiths walking around town with their white robes and stuff.

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Originally Posted by neoreturn

Can't tell which one make money. But can tell you bsm can't make money.

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Lol?.. I made millions with BSM. You cray cray

All crafts have potential to make gil, you just have to put in the time and effort to research what to craft, how to do it efficiently, and how to sell it for good profit.

Because it takes effort to work that part out, you are unlikely going to find someone who will just hand over their magic formula, or suggestions.

Good luck

Or level all the crafts and be able to do anything!

You're going to definitely be losing money no matter what if you don't pick up a gathering class first.

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Originally Posted by Dorin

Goldsmith used to be able to make a lot of money, but now the whole server and their dogs are lvl 50 goldsmiths walking around town with their white robes and stuff.

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This is going to be the crushing blow to crafting in ARR. If 25% of the population on a server levels all the crafting classes, there is zero motive for the other 75% to do it. A player can run a dungeon 5000 times, they will progress. The only thing I need to do is go to the levequest desk and see what has triple turn in, churn out 9 a day and I'm done.

Long term, I project Armorer to be the gil farm but it will feel more like dailies.

As some above posters are hinting... you can honestly make money on any crafting class, but you will make signicantly more money if you level a gathering class as well. If leveling a gathering class isn't your thing (which is completely understandable), I might recommend leatherworker to you since their most critical materials are found through killing, which you can technically gather as DoW/DoM.

And someone else hit the nail on the head, you need to do research to know what sells if you're going to try to make money as a crafter. Crafting is really easy in this game and there are a lot of crafters, so leveling to max and then making high level items usually are not going to net you much profit. I actually make most of my money through selling lower level gear that most people, even other crafters, are too lazy to make. The biggest advantage with this is you have significantly less competition and in a short time frame you can set the market value of those items. Looking at the logs and seeing "what is selling/how many times a day" is probably the key thing.

Good luck!

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Originally Posted by Ksenia

This is going to be the crushing blow to crafting in ARR. If 25% of the population on a server levels all the crafting classes, there is zero motive for the other 75% to do it. A player can run a dungeon 5000 times, they will progress. The only thing I need to do is go to the levequest desk and see what has triple turn in, churn out 9 a day and I'm done.

Long term, I project Armorer to be the gil farm but it will feel more like dailies.

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This is exactly why I haven't even seriously considered leveling any DoH. Some people claim you can 1-50 in 2 or 3 days. If that's the case then I really don't feel its worth my time, there are going to be TONS of level 50's and undercutting is definitely going to be prevalent. There are more than a few people in my ls and fc that have all the DoH at 50, so yeah.. I don't see the point.

There's more to a DoH than just crafting and selling on market board. You can easily make back the money spent on any DoH provided you know what to do.

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Originally Posted by Aceill

There's more to a DoH than just crafting and selling on market board. You can easily make back the money spent on any DoH provided you know what to do.

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It's the reason I said if things remain the way they are, Armorer will be the gil class. Kite Shields have the highest vendor rate of sale. If nothing changed in ARR you could mass produce Kite Shields and vendor them. It's one of the highest rate of return gil faucets that cost nothing, doesn't have a time stamp and will create Gil out of thin air.

my culinarian is only 25ish n my food sells super fast lol not sure cause i sell cheap tho :P since i gather everything myself n nvr buy mats lol

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Originally Posted by Ksenia

It's the reason I said if things remain the way they are, Armorer will be the gil class. Kite Shields have the highest vendor rate of sale. If nothing changed in ARR you could mass produce Kite Shields and vendor them. It's one of the highest rate of return gil faucets that cost nothing, doesn't have a time stamp and will create Gil out of thin air.

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That's really hard to imagine. I'm using gamerescape, so the nnumbers might not be right...

Kite Shield = 6 ice shards, 6 earth shards, 1 Iron Ingot, 1 cobalt plate, 3 cobalt rivets... NPC pays 553 gil, 609 for HQ
Cobalt plate = 5 ice shards, 1 cobalt ingot.
Cobalt ingot = 5 ice shards, 1 cobalt ore, 2 iron ore (4 needed)
Cobalt rivets = 5 ice shards, 1 cobalt ingot (3 needed)
Iron ingot = 1 ice shard 3 iron ore


Totals: 41 ice shards, 6 earth shards, 4 cobalt ore, 11 iron ore... I can't imagine those materials costing less than 609gil

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Originally Posted by Simaril

That's really hard to imagine. I'm using gamerescape, so the nnumbers might not be right...

Kite Shield = 6 ice shards, 6 earth shards, 1 Iron Ingot, 1 cobalt plate, 3 cobalt rivets... NPC pays 553 gil, 609 for HQ
Cobalt plate = 5 ice shards, 1 cobalt ingot.
Cobalt ingot = 5 ice shards, 1 cobalt ore, 2 iron ore (4 needed)
Cobalt rivets = 5 ice shards, 1 cobalt ingot (3 needed)
Iron ingot = 1 ice shard 3 iron ore


Totals: 41 ice shards, 6 earth shards, 4 cobalt ore, 11 iron ore... I can't imagine those materials costing less than 609gil

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I think you missed my point. The direction the game is going, you won't be able to sell anything unless it's to a vendor. True Faucets in video games don't require other players to trade you their gil for your stuff. They require gil to be created out of thin air. Right now one of the most lucrative faucets is Kite Shield.

Hopefully when level caps are raised SE has the sense to do like they did with XI and put a cap on which you can level over 50. It's the only sensible way I see of making crafts feasible by not having EVERYTHING on one account.

There's good and bad to being able to be so flexible, we're seeing the bad.

On topic: I made about 100k leveling my GSM to 25, granted I also leveled my Mining at the same time so I never bought crystals or ores.

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Originally Posted by Ksenia

I think you missed my point. The direction the game is going, you won't be able to sell anything unless it's to a vendor. True Faucets in video games don't require other players to trade you their gil for your stuff. They require gil to be created out of thin air. Right now one of the most lucrative faucets is Kite Shield.

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Assuming you gather everything yourself. 47 shards and 15 ores at 20 seconds per node will require 310 seconds. There are 10 item to be synthesized, at an average of 6 sec each for quick synth for NQ item, that's 60 seconds. A total of 370 seconds is needed for a Kite Shield. This comes out to be about 5381 gil per hour. That's a lot of work for very little return.

Botanist and Carpenter have made me so much money. Sell that lumber!

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Originally Posted by LahaGheist

Hopefully when level caps are raised SE has the sense to do like they did with XI and put a cap on which you can level over 50. It's the only sensible way I see of making crafts feasible by not having EVERYTHING on one account.

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I sure hope they follow the FFXI model because the markets are getting flooded. Hopefully they make it much more time consuming and way more expensive to level 50+ also.

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Originally Posted by BaconNarwhal

Assuming you gather everything yourself. 47 shards and 15 ores at 20 seconds per node will require 310 seconds. There are 10 item to be synthesized, at an average of 6 sec each for quick synth for NQ item, that's 60 seconds. A total of 370 seconds is needed for a Kite Shield. This comes out to be about 5381 gil per hour. That's a lot of work for very little return.

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I know. Don't you love how shards are 3:1 and take 75% of your game time to gather. It's almost like Alchemist was supposed to make them or something...

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Originally Posted by Ksenia

I know. Don't you love how shards are 3:1 and take 75% of your game time to gather. It's almost like Alchemist was supposed to make them or something...

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Yeah ... but they nerfed alchemist by removing shard recipes, thereby making the class completely worthless :P

the 1st mistake Se made is that every character can max all classes.. they should have made it into choice's. all gathering classes , 2 or 3 max crafting classes and also 2 or 3 max jobs/classes.
Since everyone can do everything.. the market will sooner or later crash when there's no need anymore for crafters.. because we can all make it ourself.
then the only thing that still sells will be materia and having said that.. materia is a great way to make a good profit even some at tier 2 sell for good prices and it's not hard to get at all.. just do your thing and convert your stuff

No your not that's absurd. U buy 99 dire mite webs u make twenty dew thread there's ure money back right there the other 79 is profit every time just u have to wait for them to sell. Weaver gets u most money hands down.

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Originally Posted by Ksenia

I think you missed my point. The direction the game is going, you won't be able to sell anything unless it's to a vendor. True Faucets in video games don't require other players to trade you their gil for your stuff. They require gil to be created out of thin air. Right now one of the most lucrative faucets is Kite Shield.

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I'm sorry, I just think this is completely absurd. Your "faucet" will never be turned on. The amount of gil you get from the main quest and leves are the faucets, and they vastly exceed what an armor could do. The only way your scenario comes into play is if SE removes all of the gil from the game, remove stored leves from the game, and everyone raids so much it consumes all of their profit. I forsee 0/3 of those things happening.

I have made very little attempt to earn gil, and I have found very little need for gil other than repairs, and transportation and I have 140,000 gil. No, I'm not rich... but there's been nothing I need that I can't buy. From a single player / leveling perspective, I'd say gil is too easy to come by. Yes, there's some rediculous undercutting going on, but it seems like you want huge inflation? Most items can be sold on the AH for more than vendors pay. Some items can be bought for less than vendors charge.

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Originally Posted by neoreturn

Can't tell which one make money. But can tell you bsm can't make money.

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Well, that's just plain wrong. As a level 50 blacksmith, I can safely tell you that you need to get more creative with what you're making, and learn how to play the market.

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Originally Posted by Simaril

I'm sorry, I just think this is completely absurd. Your "faucet" will never be turned on. The amount of gil you get from the main quest and leves are the faucets, and they vastly exceed what an armor could do. The only way your scenario comes into play is if SE removes all of the gil from the game, remove stored leves from the game, and everyone raids so much it consumes all of their profit. I forsee 0/3 of those things happening.

I have made very little attempt to earn gil, and I have found very little need for gil other than repairs, and transportation and I have 140,000 gil. No, I'm not rich... but there's been nothing I need that I can't buy. From a single player / leveling perspective, I'd say gil is too easy to come by. Yes, there's some rediculous undercutting going on, but it seems like you want huge inflation? Most items can be sold on the AH for more than vendors pay. Some items can be bought for less than vendors charge.

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The difference between you and me is you are seeing it from the here and now perspective.
I'm forward thinking. So far the best I have seen in the LeveQuest is around 3K per point in rewards and leve points are fixed on a daily basis. You can add that to the pile but for making gil unrestricted you need a faucet and there are none. There are better faucets, so to speak. Gsm can sell by stack and make a boat load of gil. Shard requirements are going to make that misery in the making.

Market Board is NOT a faucet. trading gil for stuff is NOT a faucet. It might make you rich but it is not a faucet. Eventually Market boards will die. Nothing will be in demand. We are all inclusive characters. You said so yourself, you don't need gil. You do of course. You want to teleport places, you need to repair. You will see what I mean when you run up to the mending NPC at 50 and your wallet takes a hit every time.

Sargatanas right now is selling HQ Linen Deerstalkers on Market board for 8K each. They started at 20K. The level 40 3/3 turn in is a Linen Deerstalker. In a month the price of 300,000 exper for a weaver has gone down 60%. Buying a Level 50 DoH will be cheaper and cheaper as fewer people are left to do it. It will in time get to a point where nothing will sell for any amount of gill. Trade will die off. Faucets will become the only way to make gil.

Horde your gil is all I can say. You are going to need it.

Of course prices are fluctuating right now. The game JUST came out. People are still pushing classes to 50, things are moving fast and niches are being filled. SE isn't addressing the market right now because (rightly so) it hasn't settled yet.

Why would you spend your time working a 'faucet' anyway? Its bloody community service. Look out for yourself- make money on the market and make as much as you can. Only work a faucet when profits come down so far that its the best sell. If the market breaks because of inflation/deflation then its up to SE to fix the problem. Players shouldn't be sinking a hundred hours into a gil-source to save the economy.

Profitable crafting means get good at HQ-ing equipment and look at the market board before you make it. See a profitable opening, make an HQ item and drop it on the market.

There are good margins in HQ refined materials (even the low tier stuff) if you're willing to sell singles and babysit your auctions. If you don't play frequently or are looking for lower-maintenance sales, I'd recommend high-level food, DoH/DoW jewelry, and 40+ crafting gear. And, as always, pay attention to your spiritbonding. There's good money in III/IV materia these days.

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Originally Posted by Swag

There are good margins in HQ refined materials (even the low tier stuff) if you're willing to sell singles and babysit your auctions. If you don't play frequently or are looking for lower-maintenance sales, I'd recommend high-level food, DoH/DoW jewelry, and 40+ crafting gear. And, as always, pay attention to your spiritbonding. There's good money in III/IV materia these days.

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Materia will remain a market for quite some time to come. Simply because it's an RnG system and it won't always give you what you are looking for. Even in the notorious end game, there will be a need for multiple sets of the same gear based on Materia. A reasonable goal will be to have an Int and a Mind based conjurer set. One for healing, one for just running around clobbering stuff. True for all classes in differing conditions.

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Originally Posted by Ksenia

Materia will remain a market for quite some time to come. Simply because it's an RnG system and it won't always give you what you are looking for. Even in the notorious end game, there will be a need for multiple sets of the same gear based on Materia. A reasonable goal will be to have an Int and a Mind based conjurer set. One for healing, one for just running around clobbering stuff. True for all classes in differing conditions.

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I don't see a lot of need for multiple materia sets. Cleric stance would like to have a talk with you, it would actually be worse for a conjurer/whm to have an int set for "clobbering" stuff. I don't really see anyone outside of tank classes doing that, and even that is a bit of a stretch.

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Originally Posted by Dochas

bicker, bicker, bicker, bicker

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Yep, you are right. I'm wrong.

Game should be closed down in a month.

Bye.

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Originally Posted by Ksenia

The difference between you and me is you are seeing it from the here and now perspective.
I'm forward thinking. So far the best I have seen in the LeveQuest is around 3K per point in rewards and leve points are fixed on a daily basis. You can add that to the pile but for making gil unrestricted you need a faucet and there are none. There are better faucets, so to speak. Gsm can sell by stack and make a boat load of gil. Shard requirements are going to make that misery in the making.

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I believe that over an entire server community, leves are a sufficient faucet. Triple turn ins with HQ items result in lots of gil, as well as items, sometimes including a high number of shards. I don't play everyday, so my leves pile up. I can do a simple triple turn in (hi-potions or chamomile tea for example) a bunch of times in a matter of minutes... which gives me gold to blow on the market board.

I haven't even intentionall attempted to earn gil from the markets or leves, I've only been trying to level my classes (11 classes lv 25+), and I have over 200k without trying, an overflowing inventory, and nearly the cap on leves. Based on that, the long term perspective I see is an inflated economy with easy faucets.

For someone who raids a lot and has high repair bills, and buys from the market boards it might seem the opposite. Based on some of the data I saw in another MMO's player's levels and progression I believe there will be MANY more players acting as faucets (earning gil from leves and quests) like me.

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Originally Posted by wolfsspirit

the 1st mistake Se made is that every character can max all classes.. they should have made it into choice's. all gathering classes , 2 or 3 max crafting classes and also 2 or 3 max jobs/classes.
Since everyone can do everything.. the market will sooner or later crash when there's no need anymore for crafters.. because we can all make it ourself.

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Unlikely. In FFXI every character could play every class and that didn't happen. Mostly because people didn't craft due to it being such a monumental pain to level crafting.

Fact is, some people will simply never ever craft. They don't like it and just don't want to do it. They'd rather pay someone else to do it for them. I craft because I enjoy it. Not to make gil.

If they've made a mistake with FFXIV it's in making it too easy to level crafting and not making it rewarding enough to do so.

I have 8 classes of crafting at lvl 35~38. Its very easy lvl up them at the same time. I have always HQ equip and I can craft materials from one class to another, so I don't waste money on markets. Also I have all cross skills.

After one month and a half, I have 1M of gils just selling armours, weapons and jewelry. (no materials, materias or craft/ghater equip).

Weaver can make some decent money, They have a huge amount of crafting AF gear that they can make, and with the right skills, you can HQ them 90% of the time with basic materials (Hint all you need is carpenter 50, and culinarain 37). You can't flood the market with one item, but instead you put up a lot of different items, usually ranging in the 10-15k profit margins per craft (on my server at least), which adds up when you are making 10 things a night, and selling them overnight. Nothing amazing, but it's a solid source of income.

You would probably find fishing the better DoL. You level up much faster, and even at it's worst you can sell the fish to NPCs for more than you can regular mats. The Leves are helpful too. Min and Bot are a bore - bang-banging away for very little exp, little worth much to sell and the Leves aren't so good for those either.

My real issue with the in-game economy is the restrictive inventory - I am sure it is causing an artificial market flood. There are plenty of things I would have rather kept, and certainly wasn't interested in selling at their piddling prices (either on the market, or to an NPC), but in the end you are forced to capitulate just to get inventory space back.

Probably Goldsmith as everyone needs accessories. armorer is highly unlikely as only some people can equip it and not everyone needs it. DOM classes have no use for armorer at all and some DOW can only equip leather making for less potential customers. Just bear in mind what they want you to do for profit is to use a miner to gather ore and smelt it into ingots to sell to the 50 Goldsmiths. Takes a lot of time and patience to get there so it's not for everyone.

For big money Weaver,Gold,Leather and make double star stuff (Only HQ). For smaller but constant money Blacksmith,Armor,Weaver,Leather and make tool's, crafting gear etc. Kinda pointless are Culinary (spelling xD) alchemy (Only did it to cook/potions myself). If i'm wrong on something please let me know :)