Lahabrea is a Joke

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Ultima Weapon part 2 is seriously one of the most fun fights I have in this game, and a great way to finish off a Praetorium run. It's got the best fight music in the game, and it's always fun to run around and play with him. But when you're done, it's not over. Out comes Lahabrea, and ... it's a joke. So anti-climactic.

On my last run, my FC and a few people pulled in-server and through the DF are finishing off a Ultima, and cutscene -- we load up, and Lahabrea's going at it. We had new people, so we were all waiting for their cutscenes to finish, but someone accidentally healed themselves, and started up Lahabrea. As you reappear where you were last standing while in cutscenes, this means Lahabrea will now notice you. But as it turns out, without a clock, you can autoattack him to death. So healing? almost unimportant. Get out of voidzones, then back to swinging your sticks or cudgels. Auto-regen can handle most damage he deals, and that means something.

Either remove Lahabrea, or beef him up. As it stands, this fight is nothing but an add to Ultima, in which case one should really be fighting him during Ultima part 2. While Ultima is charging up the nuke, Lahabrea spawns, and starts knocking people around. A nice measure to the clock. Take down UW in that time, and then finish off Lahabrea. So much better, so little of a let-down after UW.

Otherwise, try this out for yourselves: Just auto-attack him to death. That easy.

SPOILERS come on man not everyone has done it.... Also if you paid attention his role isnt done just like all previous ff bosses first time easy and as story progresses he becomes harder and harder... Pretty sure thats going on now

When I first ever did this mission I came up with a simple solution so I'm on the same page as you. This was my solution. Remove Lahabrea from ultima. Upon beating ultima and leaving the duty finder you enter an instance where you "accept" a quest to fight him one on one. It'd provide a much better conclusion because we get to go one on one with the Ascian who's been causing all of these problems (story wise.).

The spoiler is he's talking about the very last story fight, so it is the end (for now..........)

It's not meant to be hard. It's a battle that is there to wrap up the current storyline like the Cloud vs. Sephiroth one where you automatically use Omnislash for insta-win.

For all intents and purposes you should consider Ultima the final boss.

It is just a fight to finish the story, Ultima is the Final Boss. In the future the story will be continued with Lahabrea which you can clearly see in the final cutscene. Although since you are moaning about this I assume you just skip all cut scenes. Also SPOILERs >.>

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Originally Posted by Estellios

For all intents and purposes you should consider Ultima the final boss.

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Wouldn't it be quite the twist, that as the story continues on, that the actual real end all bad guy was yourself?

And the reason you didn't know it was you, was due to The Echo creating a residual personality alongside the original personality.

Concluding in a fight against yourself with all your stats, gear, and skills, that would literally require you to out skill yourself in order to win.

Oh my what a twist that would be.

Square has a very, very annoying habit of doing this. In FFVII and X they were just interactive endings, but in XIII the final form was a very, very weak boss. Lahabrea in 14 is also a very, very weak boss. I don't know anyone who likes pushover final bosses like this and I wish they would cut it out.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

It's not meant to be hard. It's a battle that is there to wrap up the current storyline like the Cloud vs. Sephiroth one where you automatically use Omnislash for insta-win.

For all intents and purposes you should consider Ultima the final boss.

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^^ This. /10char

Labhrea current form is not ARR final boss he is the first miniboss in the ARR story ark. A minion to the one true god Z------- plus its an mmo there is no final boss expecially at launch. In wow it takes 1.5-2 years of updates and story till you fight the final boss all bosses are minibosses leading up to final confrontation for the arc, this arc just commenced.

He is the final boss of the current story progress, we may not be even close to an expansion. The current story continues until they decide on another story arc and an expansion with it. He is far from the true final boss.

i find ultima weapon phase 1 the hardest boss in entire Preatorium

yet in after credits lahabrea appear once again

and maybe we will fight him again but way stronger next time possible after beating bahamut in binding coil

I have to say I was also very disappointed in just how damn generic he was. Two great Garlean villains get rushed out the door in Praetorium, and the last boss is a guy with silver hair and a black robe. Really? C'mon now. I applauded Square for stepping outside their comfort zone with Galenth's design, but c'mon now.

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Originally Posted by Balaur

SPOILERS AHEAD!!

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Heres a spoiler for you: OP has one job at 50 and, just now, finally beat the story mode. In order to not feel as though he is inferior, OP comes to the forums to brag about how easy it was for him and seven of his friends to take down the final opponent in the story.

Please note that after this fight, during a cutscene, you hear the Opening Theme to Final Fantasy. If youhad played any of the other final fantasy games, specifically Final Fantasy (FFI), you would understand that this is the END OF THE PROLOGUE!!! This was supposed to be easily beatable after a comparatively short time playing. You didn't beat the game, you finished the opening quest.

I have to agree with the OP. From a game design standpoint, the idea is to make sure players don't fail during the last battle. After all, it's pretty anti-climatic to get a wipe right at the end and having to do the whole series of bosses from scratch. But they just made him too easy, which is also rather anti-climatic. They could have made the battle a bit more impressive without risking a party wipe. For example by giving him an ability that lowers the tanks HP to 1 but then either make him stop attacking for a short time or change the target. There are a lot of little tricks like that, but it seems the battle was a bit rushed.

But meh, it's not a huge problem in my opinion. As others have stated before it's more of a mid boss and there's a chance that they'll make up for it later down the road. :D

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Originally Posted by Huginn

Heres a spoiler for you: OP has one job at 50 and, just now, finally beat the story mode. In order to not feel as though he is inferior, OP comes to the forums to brag about how easy it was for him and seven of his friends to take down the final opponent in the story.

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It's truly remarkable how some people can twist every topic into a disgusting mess of internet toxicity.

It was disappointing but at the same time they had to have some way to get Thancred back unharmed lol.

It should have been a separate fight, maybe they could have had him as the last boss in AK or something instead.

The fight is more thematic. I don't see the problem here.

That said, I would have preferred if it had been a solo battle. It would have been more personal that way.

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Originally Posted by Toystore

I have to say I was also very disappointed in just how damn generic he was. Two great Garlean villains get rushed out the door in Praetorium, and the last boss is a guy with silver hair and a black robe. Really? C'mon now. I applauded Square for stepping outside their comfort zone with Galenth's design, but c'mon now.

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THought I should point out that only one Garlean was 'rushed out the door' in Praetorium. The other is still very much alive and likely to be returning later in the story... his rivalry with Cid clearly has more to it.

Welcome to almost every last boss of the Final Fantasy series :)

OP, the title of this topic itself is a spoil. Knowing that you actually get to fight this character, and that he's indeed a "joke" in terms of difficulty, is a clear spoiler. You just outed the "end", or rather the beginning of the next chapter, for a lot of people. Not nice. You could have titled this thread "About the last boss" *** SPOILERS ***. I don't know if you can change the title, but I strongly suggest you do if it's possible.

If after everything that has been said already you still have problems with that last fight and you care about the story, just remember that Lahabrea was inside Thancred and he was probably resisting and giving the first one troubles to release his full power while fighting with you. He's your friend (or your family, as Minfilia says), after all, specially if you come from Ul'dah. Also, if I remember well, we weren't the ones who ended that fight, but Hydaelyn (through us, in that 1vs1 attack), so it could even be that Lahabrea was just playing with us up to that point.

Also, next time put the spoiler tag in the title please, it's easier for people to avoid the thread.

Someone has never played FFVII. Or X. Or Wild Arms 2. Or Lunar 2. Or a lot other RPGs where there's an extra battle after the actual final boss to wrap up the story, generally involving some special ability awakened in the player party that can destroy the boss. In other words: Ultima Weapon is the final boss, Lahabrea is a scripted, nearly impossible to lose battle to wrap up the story. It's the equivalent of watching a cutscene where your group banishes evil once and for all, except you play it out.

Run Praetorium again and pay attention to your buffs once you reach Lahabrea.

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Originally Posted by Xmbei

Labhrea current form is not ARR final boss he is the first miniboss in the ARR story ark. A minion to the one true god Z------- plus its an mmo there is no final boss expecially at launch.

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This is a FF MMO, if they did it right like FFXI it would be:

1. Final Boss for Vanilla
2. Final Boss for expansion story#1
3. Final Boss for expansion story #2
4. Final Boss for expansion story #3
5. Final Boss for expansion story #4...

You get the idea - In XI every story arc had a beginning. middle and end - Most MMOs have "no final boss" because they make it apparent the storylines don't matter.

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Originally Posted by Concerto

Welcome to almost every last boss of the Final Fantasy series :)

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Guessing VII was your first FF game like many.

I think the idea of the fight was to beat him easily, for starters you don't actually kill him, the crystals banish lahabrea spirit from thancred, you can see him at the end cutscene still alive. Secondly it pretty much sets an opening for the next part of the story, you've defeated the galnean's weapon yet there has still been this threat that has been lingering behind the primals and galneans.

it's not like lahabrea it's dead...

You defeated Lahabrea, an ascian stuck in the exponentially weak shell of*thancred (who is still powerfull enough to not be defeated without more than a few warriors of light there).

I was extreamly satisfied with the ending, and the view of Zodiark at the end makes me wonder if the game isn't going in the direction of the original FFs ultimate struggle: Cosmos (hydaelyn) vs Chaos (zodiark); and we (like the ascians) are pawns in that struggle.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

Guessing VII was your first FF game like many.

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Hahaha nope. I played them all staring from FF I which was my very first RPG when I got my NES.
Maybe not all finally fantasy's got and super easy boss like Sephiroth v/s Cloud in FF7 , but after that point it became sort of cliche to JRPGs having a pre-scripted last boss fight were you unleashed some sort of super-ultra-mega power to finish the "last boss" to show you and make you feel you became super powerful.

I also finished that fight last night and yes, it felt anticlimactic (why the hell is there an additional c in this word @_@). Though at the same time kinda fitting, since the "big guy" is usually not someone especially strong, but scheming. If you choose your allies well, you won't have to fight yourself. And in case you happen to lose all of them... eh, try to cover it up with big talk. Maybe a bit cliche, I don't know.

Hes a joke because hes part of the story of XIV. Save the stupidly placed story quests within winding coils, story is meant to be doable casually by all. I'm pretty sure he along with the black wolf and ultima weapon will be added as hard mode fights.

I don't wanna spoil it outright, I'll just say, watch those cutscenes again and think of the circumstances of that fight, was his purpose for him to kill you or was it something else. Think about the way the environment looked at that time and the way he acted when engaging the players.

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Originally Posted by Huginn

Heres a spoiler for you: OP has one job at 50 and, just now, finally beat the story mode. In order to not feel as though he is inferior, OP comes to the forums to brag about how easy it was for him and seven of his friends to take down the final opponent in the story.

Please note that after this fight, during a cutscene, you hear the Opening Theme to Final Fantasy. If youhad played any of the other final fantasy games, specifically Final Fantasy (FFI), you would understand that this is the END OF THE PROLOGUE!!! This was supposed to be easily beatable after a comparatively short time playing. You didn't beat the game, you finished the opening quest.

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Lodestone is slow to load. I have two 50 Jobs, one battleclass but two "50s." Also, irrelevant.

Also, pointless about the gearing issue. My first time in Praetorium, I didn't even have my Temple Cyclas as a Monk (hadn't finished the 50 Monk quest) and by the time the cutscene after Ultima phase 2 was over, Lahabrea was half dead; for my sister, who was a healer in that run, he was 75% dead (she took a few more moments longer than me to finish) and when she came out she didn't even have to heal. She was only wearing AF and no DL. This was a week ago, and most people in that run only had a few pieces of DL trinkets, none had DL body gear, especially the tanks. Something to consider?

None of what I did was bragging. I do not enjoy fights I do not have to work at; I do not like dungeon encounters that do not feel challenging as I find little reason to go back -- and I like going back to Praetorium for the fights and the music. You may think I am a braggart, but you are finding fault where none lies for the sake of ego. Perhaps you should pull the mote from your own eye before pulling the plank from mine?

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

This is a FF MMO, if they did it right like FFXI it would be:

1. Final Boss for Vanilla
2. Final Boss for expansion story#1
3. Final Boss for expansion story #2
4. Final Boss for expansion story #3
5. Final Boss for expansion story #4...

You get the idea - In XI every story arc had a beginning. middle and end - Most MMOs have "no final boss" because they make it apparent the storylines don't matter.

Guessing VII was your first FF game like many.

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Exactly, but We haven't got to the final boss of Vanilla, Lahabrea is just a stepping stone, probably minion of the final boss, or like typical FF he just gets more powerful as Vanilla story progresses we don't know we just started. Plus the fact that the Extra scene at end of Credits definately account that there is more shit to go down... and very soon... me and a friend both went "OMG O.O" lol I wasn't not expecting such a large number XD

Lahabrea is has always been a joke. He has an "evil laugh" for pete's sake, and he does it alone, and without very good reason. You shoot torpedo people at him at the ending.

That character is nothing but a joke. Also all the crystal cutscenes are corny and cheap. Other than that I loved the main plot.

But I guess that isn't related to the fight haha

you did understand that the story so far is a prologue?
we did beat the empire, for now and we did taste a bit of lahabrea power through thancred... the fact that at the end we did seen soo many ascian only means one thing... we are screw dude, lahabrea didn't fight us directly, and he was alone.... what will happend when him lieutenant and soldier will begin to attack us?

the though is scary in a way...
just to recall, each patch (2.1, 2.2, 2.3,...) will continue the story, then for now we did begin the new astral era and.... well you have seen the video at the end.... we are screw dude, we are screw!!

Lahbrea was a plot device, nothing more. He's no better than trash. I would say working as intended. As said earlier, Ultima is the current 'final boss'.

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Originally Posted by AdvancedWind

Someone has never played FFVII. Or X. Or Wild Arms 2. Or Lunar 2. Or a lot other RPGs where there's an extra battle after the actual final boss to wrap up the story, generally involving some special ability awakened in the player party that can destroy the boss. In other words: Ultima Weapon is the final boss, Lahabrea is a scripted, nearly impossible to lose battle to wrap up the story. It's the equivalent of watching a cutscene where your group banishes evil once and for all, except you play it out.

Run Praetorium again and pay attention to your buffs once you reach Lahabrea.

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This so much. It's an "event" fight where people can just chill and blast him to oblivion. It happens a lot of jRPGs and was a really nice and surprising addition/homage.