scholars dont get esuna through cross class skill.

we get leeches at level 40 which is our version of the spell.

I thought it was a bit silly the way we didn't get leeches right at 40. I mean it wouldn't be as bad if they gave us esuna for scholar since we already have skill duplicates with cure and Resurrection. That said leeches at 40 comes quick enough to be bearable for new scholars.

Yeah... why did this need a thread?

i ask by a tank to use esuna i was like what are you serious ? im clearing the air to let everyone know we dont get that spell.

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Originally Posted by thebaddestfag

i ask by a tank to use esuna i was like what are you serious ? im clearing the air to let everyone know we dont get that spell.

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You're preaching to the choir. Post in tank forums ;)

Who the hell cares?

It's the same spell.

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Originally Posted by FinagleABagel

Who the hell cares?

It's the same spell.

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I think the problem that they're getting at is it's not cross class and once you become a Scholar you have to wait a whole ten levels to the the esuna equivalent.

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Originally Posted by IceSpear

I think the problem that they're getting at is it's not cross class and once you become a Scholar you have to wait a whole ten levels to the the esuna equivalent.

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Yeah, but that doesn't matter. You don't need Esuna any earlier than you get Leeches.

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Originally Posted by FinagleABagel

Yeah, but that doesn't matter. You don't need Esuna any earlier than you get Leeches.

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Pretty much this

devs just got lazy, whats with the duplicate skills you get as conj and arcanist? at least make them different in some way.

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Originally Posted by chumsy

devs just got lazy, whats with the duplicate skills you get as conj and arcanist? at least make them different in some way.

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There's a least some story behind Leeches. The real mind blower is why physick/cure are cross-classed skills. Talk about a waste.

I'm guessing that later either abilities or gear will buff both in different ways.

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Originally Posted by Eldelphia

I'm guessing that later either abilities or gear will buff both in different ways.

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I'm really hoping they start making gear that affects certain abilities when worn. Like a chest piece that has "cure has a 10% chance to affect allies near the target as well" or something(not necessarily that effect). There's no risk of the stupid gearswapping from XI in this because you can't change gear in combat. :D

I just feel it would make gear more meaningful than "who has the higher stats?".

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Originally Posted by FinagleABagel

Yeah, but that doesn't matter. You don't need Esuna any earlier than you get Leeches.

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Sunken Temple w/o Esuna/Leeches is no fun. It's a royal pain that I have to level up CNJ/WHM in stead of just going in with SCH.

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Originally Posted by FinagleABagel

The real mind blower is why physick/cure are cross-classed skills. Talk about a waste.

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maybe so BLM can get a heal ? i successfully main healed through titan NM on my BLM as first thing our healer did was eating land slide

That ^ and Paladins without cure is no paladin at all. u_u `Nough Said.

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Originally Posted by chumsy

devs just got lazy, whats with the duplicate skills you get as conj and arcanist? at least make them different in some way.

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They are different. Read the tooltips.

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Yeah, but that doesn't matter. You don't need Esuna any earlier than you get Leeches.

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Meh, it helps on the last boss in Brayflox.

I was levelling my SCH via instances and had a guy tell me to esuna off the debuff the second boss gives you in Cutter's Cry. I was either 38 or 39, and he was shocked to find out that debuff removal was not part of my toolkit.

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Originally Posted by Sinaloa

They are different. Read the tooltips.

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whm version is better and lower level to obtain, basically. How about adding something like, when leeches removes a debuff, 20% chance caster gains an aetherflow charge

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whm version is better and lower level to obtain, basically. How about adding something like, when leeches removes a debuff, 20% chance caster gains an aetherflow charge

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I don't think I've ever noticed Esuna's proc go off, to be honest. I DO understand why Leeches is a job ability (it's so SMN don't get it). Wouldn't mind SCH getting their version at 30, though.

I think they wanted to introduce the shielding mechanic as early as possible, which is why Adlo is 30. And it's painful until you get Succor; Whispering Dawn with Fey Illumination is okay, but you don't have Rouse yet to make it really shine (and it's a HoT, so no insta-healing).

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I don't think I've ever noticed Esuna's proc go off, to be honest.

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I didn't even know Esuna had a proc, lol. It's really negligible as there are very few situations where you need to spam Esuna.

I'm guessing the devs thought Embrace+Adloquium was enough to sustain through poisons, but Brayflox and Cutter's Cry can be miserable.

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Meh, it helps on the last boss in Brayflox.

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Heck, it helps on the first boss of Brayflox although it is possible to power heal through the poison. The final boss is definitely more effort, though.

I definitely missed it during Cutter's Cry my first run through of that as well, primarily on the second boss for that sandstorm effect. Thankfully, you get Leeches if you've capped the dungeon so it's only temporary if you're running it at the lower end of it's range.

There's a few trash mobs in Sunken Temple that poison, but it's not hard to just heal through those moments so I didn't miss it in that dungeon.

Yeah, I've seen SCH's struggle a bit healing the tank on the last Boss of Brayflox when the poison count hits 4 from repeated hits/vomit. It's not impossible by any means, but it would have been nice for SCH's to get it a bit earlier.

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Yeah, I've seen SCH's struggle a bit healing the tank on the last Boss of Brayflox when the poison count hits 4 from repeated hits/vomit. It's not impossible by any means, but it would have been nice for SCH's to get it a bit earlier.

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The Tank isn't helping if they've taken 4 hits of the vomit poison. It's not that hard to dodge.

And good old bottled NQ Antidote takes it off too. When I go for Brayflox runs I make sure I have a stash of Antidote because I can't be sure the party healer has Esuna, or knows to use it, or remembers to use it in the heat of battle.

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The Tank isn't helping if they've taken 4 hits of the vomit poison. It's not that hard to dodge.

And good old bottled NQ Antidote takes it off too. When I go for Brayflox runs I make sure I have a stash of Antidote because I can't be sure the party healer has Esuna, or knows to use it, or remembers to use it in the heat of battle.

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No, but I've had it stack to four on me via his melee. It's got a 45 second duration, and he refreshes more often than that. If you don't have antidote, well, uh... kite. That's what I did!

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Originally Posted by Endorendil

Sunken Temple w/o Esuna/Leeches is no fun. It's a royal pain that I have to level up CNJ/WHM in stead of just going in with SCH.

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Sunken Temple? Really? I don't really remember anything there that needs leeching. Brayflox last boss on the other hand /shudder. Especially if the tank can't/won't avoid dragon breath and move the dragon from the vomit. Makes my life as a scholar very painful.

Cutters' Cry is another place where leeches is a must with the sandworm dot thing and Chimera's paralyzes/heavies if the party has trouble moving to the right place. :S

Give me Aetherflow for free MP, and Lustrate. Then you can have Esuna :P

j/k

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Originally Posted by Firetta

I was levelling my SCH via instances and had a guy tell me to esuna off the debuff the second boss gives you in Cutter's Cry. I was either 38 or 39, and he was shocked to find out that debuff removal was not part of my toolkit.

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Haha, I wonder if that was me? Cutter's Cry was the most obvious one to me, but there might be others.