Keeper's of The Moon Vs Keeper's of The Sun

Hey all,
Currently my main and will probably be my main focus throughout the game is Paladin, but I realized I chose Keepers of the Moon, when I used my first Vial from a Lala, which stats lack the starting VIT and STR of Keepers of the Sun, I was curious to if the stats balance out at level 50 or should I use my Vial of Phantasia to change to Keeper of The Sun to get a significant boost of VIT and STR.

The stat difference will still be there at lvl 50, however, it's not a huge difference though.
Unless you strongly feel the need of being "the very best" then I wouldn't bother with it.

The stats difference between the two is at 4 by most.
4 stats point is equivalent to level 15-17 chest gear, but a piece of level 50 chest gear gives nearly 25-30 points of stats, making that measly 4 insignificant at best.
Unless you're min-max player (or a gatherer that must have the necessary stat to trigger gather bonus), race doesnt matter past level 20.

Thanks guys that clarifies everything! Thanks.

The necro phantom strikes again.

Also...race attributes were a thing back then? I imagine Lala tanks and Roe white mages were quite the shock if attributes by race mattered that much in the early days

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Originally Posted by KaivaC

The necro phantom strikes again.

Also...race attributes were a thing back then? I imagine Lala tanks and Roe white mages were quite the shock if attributes by race mattered that much in the early days

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Yeah, I remember building my Paladin around highlander at the time, since I wanted to reach certain STR threshold for blocking purposes. These bonuses were diminished overtime, as the ilvl increased. Nowdays, unless you're a min-maxer, it really doesn't matter. The highest difference in stats from race to race is 6 points (Min 17 max 23).

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Originally Posted by Lilseph

Yeah, I remember building my Paladin around highlander at the time, since I wanted to reach certain STR threshold for blocking purposes. These bonuses were diminished overtime, as the ilvl increased. Nowdays, unless you're a min-maxer, it really doesn't matter. The highest difference in stats from race to race is 6 points (Min 17 max 23).

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Ooooh. That...really sucks. Do a lot of MMOs do that with race? I'm guessing gender has slightly different starter stats as well?

No genders are the same stats last I checked ^_^

I feel like race stats is another feature they should get rid of like they did for elemental resist and just give every race the same basic stats. That way you can go on aesthetics more. Cause even tho I know it doesn't matter, in the back of my mind it still bugs me that Xelea (?sp?) have a lot more STR than Reign (?sp?)

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

No genders are the same stats last I checked ^_^

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This is correct.

Some MMOs go even further and they lock classes behind certain races. For instance, in WoW, you can't be a Paladin if you play Orc. But they also add racial traits, which is a nice thing sometimes. I do however prefer how they designed it here, since I can pick whatever race I want to play whatever job I like.

That's because we Xaela are born into conflict haha.

But yeah, seems to me that the stat differences nowadays are negligible. Same with choosing your god at character creation. Would be nice to get like a passive bonus or a skill you could use only once and have to wait a set amount of time for it to recharge.

Racial stats doesnt make any sense in this game and im happy devs made it less important.

I wouldn't have agreed back then, but now I do. I know we're taking the little customization we had away, but people should be able to play whatever they like over what's more "efficient". We know that overal customization in this game doesn't exist. Gear has fixed stats, no skills enhancement, we don't have skill trees (Which are a fake form of customization, as there is a "good way" to do it), we don't have stat allocation anymore (which was useless anyway, since we only had 1 stat that mattered for each job).

EDIT: I want to correct myself on certain thing. Some pieces of gear have desired stats, which are prefered over certain pieces of gear. That lead us to what we call "best in slot" for certain jobs.

I think it's another now almost useless hangover from 1.x design, but it's true that in 2.x days, you had plenty of players consider race when the knew their main job. You can find videos of that era on YouTube saying things like, "Dunesfolk Lalafell have a teeny tiny edge if you play BLM."

But, with stats where they are and the power of materia, it's really forgettable that the differences exist at all, even at low levels.

With materia and the proper gear, they become irrelevant. This isn't the old FFXII, you'll be fine.

Pretty sure stat differences from races is still in the game, but the highest diffenrence is like 4 or 6 points...

That's like a 5 ilvl difference, on ONE stat, on ONE piece of gear...

race stats was a thing in ffxi.

Who resurrected this old corpse?

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Originally Posted by Fhaerron

Who resurrected this old corpse?

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I'm just asserting my dominance over the other necros with fun topics that could be discussed. Too much doom and gloom lately.

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Originally Posted by KaivaC

I'm just asserting my dominance over the other necros with fun topics that could be discussed. Too much doom and gloom lately.

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I never understood people's obsession with calling things "necro" when jp people use the same threads for years and years with no issue. If it starts nice or fun discussions then who cares what date the thread was made.

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Originally Posted by KaivaC

Ooooh. That...really sucks. Do a lot of MMOs do that with race? I'm guessing gender has slightly different starter stats as well?

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Go to the character creator screen next time you have a minute, race stats are still a thing now, they're just not very noticeable anymore due to raised item level at 70 compared to what it was at 50.

It still wasn't even that noticeable at 50. It made literally no difference unless you want to maximize your numbers... by like an additional 0.5% or something equally as terrible.

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Originally Posted by Nuna

I never understood people's obsession with calling things "necro" when jp people use the same threads for years and years with no issue. If it starts nice or fun discussions then who cares what date the thread was made.

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There's a difference in keeping a thread active for years and necroing a dead thread.

Usually the necromancer is jumping in with a point that has already been made, trying to restart a conversation that has already been played out. But the cycle of discussion has concluded so you may as well just read the thread and move on, hence why it's looked down upon.

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Originally Posted by KaivaC

Ooooh. That...really sucks. Do a lot of MMOs do that with race? I'm guessing gender has slightly different starter stats as well?

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No, i've never seen a single game where the gender mattered other than aesthetics, people would have a fit in this day n age if that happened.

Indeed, even WoW theres no difference between male/female, only design.

I checked out another MMO just out of curiosity (and because it was free this weekend) called Tera. I don't like that a tank/dps class is locked beyond both a race and gender. I mean, I understand with an MMO like Star Wars because there's established lore and there is a counterpart in the opposite faction...but from what it sounds like in WoW, there doesn't seem to be a counterpart at all. I'm still fairly new to MMOs in general, but why was race/gender for certain classes or stats a thing? I mean, I'm glad we're currently at a level in FFXIV where race/gender stats really don't matter, but for other MMOs, that seems to be counter-intuitive to have stats based on gender and race.

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Originally Posted by VanilleFang

It still wasn't even that noticeable at 50. It made literally no difference unless you want to maximize your numbers... by like an additional 0.5% or something equally as terrible.

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...was it even noticeable at level 10?

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Originally Posted by KaivaC

I'm still fairly new to MMOs in general, but why was race/gender for certain classes or stats a thing? I mean, I'm glad we're currently at a level in FFXIV where race/gender stats really don't matter, but for other MMOs, that seems to be counter-intuitive to have stats based on gender and race.

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Lore and influence from older (non-computerized) gaming systems like D&D.

e.g., make a strong burly race that intuitively has an advantage in bruiser type roles. Delicate magical race with some advantage in spellcasting. etc. Affinities you'll often find in fantasy fiction.

Didn't work quite so well with the minmax'ing nature of MMOs afterall, though.

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Originally Posted by KaivaC

The necro phantom strikes again.

Also...race attributes were a thing back then? I imagine Lala tanks and Roe white mages were quite the shock if attributes by race mattered that much in the early days

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They were are still are. What has actually changed is they removed the "bonus points" because it either nerfed SCH or SMN, and people were just told to min-max one or the other, so anyone who did anything but min-max would get yelled and screamed at.

At any rate they were trivial, +1 or +2 points in some stats, that wouldn't even be noticed after 5 levels. I did quite an extensive test when figuring out the healer leveling stats, and basically discovered that the way the game actually did math was:

Base score at what level or level sync your character is at (which will look like 50% of the stat, but the base score IS what all the skills are based on.)

+ Equipment score (which will only affect damage/healing. It will not affect MP/HP regeneration rate, regardless of anything) which is affected by ilevel sync.

+ Race score, which was treated the same as equipment score. So really it was of no consequence.

And if you don't believe me, take all your gear off and write down your stats when you're level synced in FATE's. You'll see that that all races get synced to the same numbers.

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Originally Posted by Shouko

No, i've never seen a single game where the gender mattered other than aesthetics, people would have a fit in this day n age if that happened.

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I don't know if you meant mmos specifically but I know gender effected stats in one of the elder scrolls games.. I think oblivion maybe?

I suppose if there was established lore, like with SWTOR, it wouldn't be as bad as long as there was a counterpart to it. If FFXIV had factions and we had the choice between Hydalyn (I'm sure I spelled her name wrong) and Zordiark, as long as there was an equivalent in some way, it'd be fine. Red mages vs blue mages. White mages vs blue mages...things like that. Keep in mind, I'm using that as an example...it's not possible to have those kinds of faction-specific class/jobs in FFXIv. Thankfully.