Gridanian Overcoat Miqo'te Tail Clashing/Overlapping

http://i.imgur.com/a9U9iKE.gif
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As you can see, the Gridanian Soldier's Overcoat clashes with Miqo'te race's tail as there isn't a tail slit or animation to go along with it. I wasn't sure where to post this, but wanted to bring it to the dev's attention in chance they might fix it in a future release.

I've seen this on a lot of my gear, i've just gotten used to it, but do wish it didn't just clip like that on most everything. :\

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Originally Posted by KokonoeAiyoko

http://i.imgur.com/a9U9iKE.gif
http://i.imgur.com/glkUFPi.png

As you can see, the Gridanian Soldier's Overcoat clashes with Miqo'te race's tail as there isn't a tail slit or animation to go along with it. I wasn't sure where to post this, but wanted to bring it to the dev's attention in chance they might fix it in a future release.

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Previously there were separate models for the miqo'te body, this however consumes memory. You can thank the PS3 for our lack of distinctive models, as they want to conserve as much memory as possible.

They've already mentioned in a previous post that they won't be fixing it.

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Originally Posted by Shioban

Previously there were separate models for the miqo'te body, this however consumes memory. You can thank the PS3 for our lack of distinctive models, as they want to conserve as much memory as possible.

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There are different models for miqo'te as opposed to any other race to accomodate the tail. This includes extra pleating, pleating with a bit of sewing up above, a special "above tail" plate (see above), a special sew-around for some pants/shorts and for underclothes (as noticeable on the Cascadia gear and smallclothes), and so on. I've noticed these things because in Beta I played a hyur for the fun of it, but for beta four and live I play miqo'te, and the different models employed for the two races for the same sex but for the same gear (both leveled initially as pugilist and marauder). There are more differences than you all recognize.

I can't show my staff with my White Mage AF because it cuts right up through the hood and looks stupid.

Meh, it is what it is.

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Originally Posted by KokonoeAiyoko

http://i.imgur.com/a9U9iKE.gif
http://i.imgur.com/glkUFPi.png

As you can see, the Gridanian Soldier's Overcoat clashes with Miqo'te race's tail as there isn't a tail slit or animation to go along with it. I wasn't sure where to post this, but wanted to bring it to the dev's attention in chance they might fix it in a future release.

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I would like to see things like this eventually fixed as I have noticed it as well and it does detract from the appearance of some items, however there are much more pressing things I would like to see addressed first like RMT spam and the teleporting gathering bots. This would make good project for the art/animation teams to deal with when not busy with new content or have time to go do clean up work.

Nothing is as ridiculous as this to me:

http://i.imgur.com/bnrtuUb.jpg

Not just any clipping, but items that are intended to go together (AF+relic) and on NPCs for a quest. Clipping straight through the entire time, not just while moving.

Can't have visible belts because they might clash with other things, but clearly this is totally fine.

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Originally Posted by Shioban

Previously there were separate models for the miqo'te body, this however consumes memory. You can thank the PS3 for our lack of distinctive models, as they want to conserve as much memory as possible

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Protip: XIV 1.0 also had a PS3 version started and also was designed with "PS3 memory limitation" in mind, so sorry that doesn't work. They specifically said the way graphics are in this game is purely to accommodate the battle system since for some reason they couldn't find any other way around "animation lock."

Btw, there's less clipping in XI on basic models and that's a generation 1 PS2 game, so it's pretty obvious when we brought this issue up and they told us to "just accept it" basically it was a design choice not because of the PS3.

I personally think the loss of the tail slot in long/robe armor was more a decency thing than a 'limitation decision'. I mean, especially with the white mage AF, it was practically a window to the posterior. They stopped doing this with the armors introduced late into 1.0, such as the Vanya set. This doesn't explain the heavy armors, but that's what I think about the long/robe armor.

I like how they point out that PS3 and PC use different client, but say that something that would be changeable due to that is causing so many problems (since PC and PS3 arent same client, they can have different contents)

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Originally Posted by Gilraen

I personally think the loss of the tail slot in long/robe armor was more a decency thing than a 'limitation decision'. I mean, especially with the white mage AF, it was practically a window to the posterior. They stopped doing this with the armors introduced late into 1.0, such as the Vanya set. This doesn't explain the heavy armors, but that's what I think about the long/robe armor.

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That could very well be the reason it is in the form it is. However, the bad clipping caused by it, is just a sign of taking the easy/lazy way out, and shows a lack of an eye towards maintaining high quality. Which is why I would like to see it fixed at some point, but not at the expense of other pressing issues.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

Protip: XIV 1.0 also had a PS3 version started and also was designed with "PS3 memory limitation" in mind, so sorry that doesn't work. They specifically said the way graphics are in this game is purely to accommodate the battle system since for some reason they couldn't find any other way around "animation lock."

Btw, there's less clipping in XI on basic models and that's a generation 1 PS2 game, so it's pretty obvious when we brought this issue up and they told us to "just accept it" basically it was a design choice not because of the PS3.

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There's a difference between designed to work, and actually working.

1.23 was testament to design vs. the final product. So i'll have you find what I said does work.

1.23 never had a PS3 release, prototype or even a teaser. Why?
Because it didn't run, it simply did not function on a PS3. One of the many reasons for this was the memory constraints, which ARR has very carefully considered in every-single-detail, from UI, to whether Miqote's should have a unique model to fit their tails.


In terms of clipping, you can't really avoid it. There are so many gear combinations it's hard to find compensation for each one.
Even in the case of the Black Mage AF where it's 'designed for purpose'. It's just something we have to deal with like you said, they're dealing with much more complex designs now than the XI team.


The graphics in this game aren't completely down to animation lock, the trees don't have compressed textures because the design team didn't want people locked into an animation upon casting a spell. But in terms of animation yes, we're slightly less 'smooth' than before because of this which is perfectly fine but has nothing to do with my memory constraints comment.

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Originally Posted by Breladine

I can't show my staff with my White Mage AF because it cuts right up through the hood and looks stupid.

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You'd think they'd take clipping into account when designing these things. But no.