SE, if you're gonna let people cheat, say so. That way I can cheat too!

In this picture, we see Eco First and Sol Aran mining from an unreachable <pos> normally.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e3...ps095eacc3.jpg

And here we have Holy Night teleporting around:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVaKG...ature=youtu.be

The game appears to be GM-free, just let us know so we can all be on the same page as the cheaters.

the majority of players whom bot a task do so because they find the task BORING

make the task not boring and the majority of players are not going to bot the task

those that do will be the minority and EASIER to get rid of

as of right now, there are so many players botting THAT particular task, that getting rid of them would be detrimental to the financial future of this game =P

I dislike your UI.

I find that more important than the bots.

Also, bots need to get banned.

Anyone using a bot needs to be banned.

Anyone banned needs to get banned.

The banned will be banned with more bans.

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I understand your frustration, but really, I think at this point they just don't have the manpower to handle the huge amount of spam/bots/hacked accounts. How many worlds are there total? 61

I highly doubt that they have the available staff to have one assigned GM per world, probably not even 1 for every 2 worlds, let alone enough to staff the worlds 24/7 to instantly respond to these issues. That's why they've asked us to report them.

Again, I understand this is frustrating. I was trying to get some HQ fleece to finish up my level 50 weaver quest last night. Had to deal with a bot farming the sheep in Coerthas. Thankfully, my husband loves me, he opened a trade window with the bot and stayed there until the sheep killed the bot. Overall, it took 2 hours to find a farming spot, occupy the bot and then go about getting the fleece. Makes me wonder how many of the other sheep camps were manned by bots.

But anyway, they're working on the next patch, the ones after that, the next expansion, addressing current server issues, setting up the world transfer service, etc. It's painful to hear, and even harder to practice, but patience is what is needed right now.

Take a moment to think about your job, a job you probably hate or at least dislike. How do you feel if all the feedback you see from your customers is 'work harder, work faster, I need this addressed now, this is unacceptable, etc.' How hard would you work then? Would you rant that the customer has no idea of the amount of work you do on a daily basis? Remember that though SE is a company, there are real people doing the jobs there and try to be understanding.

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I love how they use stealth in a no-aggro zone, making them stick out even more.

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the majority of players whom bot a task do so because they find the task BORING

make the task not boring and the majority of players are not going to bot the task

those that do will be the minority and EASIER to get rid of

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That's completely incorrect. Gathering is a relaxing non-combat activity which I enjoy doing when I have to do it and I'm sure many would agree that this is a step up from 1.0's gathering system which could be described as sluggish at best.

The reason why we have people warping around from node to node 24/7 is because they want to amass large quantities of a particular item, put them all on the market and attempt to drive down the selling price of these materials making it harder for new and legitimate players to make honest gil, and to encourage other people to buy gil because they feel like they can't get a decent amount of it through normal means.

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Originally Posted by Crica

the majority of players whom bot a task do so because they find the task BORING

make the task not boring and the majority of players are not going to bot the task

those that do will be the minority and EASIER to get rid of

as of right now, there are so many players botting THAT particular task, that getting rid of them would be detrimental to the financial future of this game =P

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The majority of players are doing it the hard way NOT botting though I for one am reporting every single one I see in every single zone even if it's the same players every day. Don't care, no sympathy except perhaps to those whose accounts got hacked which I think accounts for most of these bots. There are plenty of us doing it properly. Boredom is a horrible excuse for cheating. If those bored players you mention find something so BORING in a game they feel like cheating they should take a break and do something else. There is absolutely no point in playing if you are going to cheat.

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Originally Posted by Crica

the majority of players whom bot a task do so because they find the task BORING

make the task not boring and the majority of players are not going to bot the task

those that do will be the minority and EASIER to get rid of

as of right now, there are so many players botting THAT particular task, that getting rid of them would be detrimental to the financial future of this game =P

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Why are you trying to justify bots? People will use them no matter what gathering is like. Botting = free gil income.

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The majority of players are doing it the hard way NOT botting though I for one am reporting every single one I see in every single zone even if it's the same players every day. Don't care, no sympathy except perhaps to those whose accounts got hacked which I think accounts for most of these bots. There are plenty of us doing it properly. Boredom is a horrible excuse for cheating. If those bored players you mention find something so BORING in a game they feel like cheating they should take a break and do something else. There is absolutely no point in playing if you are going to cheat.

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lol... so, your solution to a boring task is to not do that task? yeah, that is good for SE's wallet! dont make the task not boring, no, just tell players to NOT play at all and not give SE any money!!!

silly person, fix the cause, not the symptom if you want the game to get well!

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Why are you trying to justify bots? People will use them no matter what gathering is like. Botting = free gil income.

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the MAJORITY will not if they ENJOY the task ... do any of you even read posts before posting?

Yes, what you say comes off as giving a reason to why people bot, and I say people will bot no matter how "fun" it is.

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lol... so, your solution to a boring task is to not do that task? yeah, that is good for SE's wallet! dont make the task not boring, no, just tell players to NOT play at all and not give SE any money!!!

silly person, fix the cause, not the symptom if you want the game to get well!

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yep that's my solution. I don't find it boring personally, so I will keep mining, harvesting, crafting away when I feel like it. Just because you think some people find it so boring they want to become cheaters doesn't mean the rest of us think like that.
If I by chance were to find it boring one day, I am clever enough to realize I am free to turn off my pc and come back later when I'm not feeling so bored. You are free to find that as silly as you like I could care less. I find it infinitely sillier that anyone would try to justify cheating.

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The game appears to be GM-free, just let us know so we can all be on the same page as the cheaters.

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I don't get why people think this, as thousands have been banned already. I can't find the link, but it showed how many players got banned a month from FFXI, and it sometimes got in the tens of thousands a month. They also said it wasn't instant, for obvious reasons of false reports, etc, but if FFXIV has anything in common with XI, it's probably going to be this. Square isn't afraid of the ban-hammer.

Blizzard devs posted a while back (again, don't have link handy) where they talked about how toxic even one person botting is, and how it affects way more players than just the botter, so they are quite aggressive with them. The problem is, even with how many people Blizz has, there are even more botters coming up with new ways to do it. Just be happy nodes aren't free for all, and every one gets their own, plus these bots are so easy to spot and report.

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Yes, what you say comes off as giving a reason to why people bot, and I say people will bot no matter how "fun" it is.

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then you are botting, i take it?

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the majority of players whom bot a task do so because they find the task BORING

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I find raiding in general boring, can i bot there then?

the cheater are going cheater and get banned.

keep report people for cheating do give into it

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then you are botting, i take it?

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WHAT!? lol. Now I'm wondering if you even read even what you post.

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yep that's my solution. I don't find it boring personally, so I will keep mining, harvesting, crafting away when I feel like it. Just because you think some people find it so boring they want to become cheaters doesn't mean the rest of us think like that.
If I by chance were to find it boring one day, I am clever enough to realize I am free to turn off my pc and come back later when I'm not feeling so bored. You are free to find that as silly as you like I could care less. I find it infinitely sillier that anyone would try to justify cheating.

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i find it infinitely sillier to try blow your nose to get well instead of take your medicine to get well!

when something is causing you to be sick, you get better by treating the CAUSE, not the JUST THE SYMPTOMS...

To be frank, they permitted cheating in XI for years. OP makes a valid point.

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WHAT!? lol. Now I'm wondering if you even read even what you post.

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i even read what you post - you said players bot even when its fun NOT to bot, you said you find the game fun, so are you botting?

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the majority of players whom bot a task do so because they find the task BORING

make the task not boring and the majority of players are not going to bot the task

those that do will be the minority and EASIER to get rid of

as of right now, there are so many players botting THAT particular task, that getting rid of them would be detrimental to the financial future of this game =P

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You act as if the gil sellers aren't part of this equation at all. You act as if these are simply bored players with some tech savvy to create a bot. Look at almost any game in the MMO space and you'll find most of these bots are created for the sole purpose of gil farming. Not as you say due to boredom of legit players.

I honestly don't care about bots, they're part of MMOs & no ban hammer can ever stop them. But fix the damn teleporting hack!

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You act as if the gil sellers aren't part of this equation at all. You act as if these are simply bored players with some tech savvy to create a bot. Look at almost any game in the MMO space and you'll find most of these bots are created for the sole purpose of gil farming. Not as you say due to boredom of legit players.

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if it were FUN to NOT bot gilfarming, WHY would anyone bot gilfarming?

im talking about LEGIT PLAYERS BOTTING, not gilsellers...

right now, the majority of the playerbase is BOTTING the boring tasks in this game, are you saying ALL of them are gilsellers?

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People will bot no matter what

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and i already said that the MAJORITY of players WILL NOT BOT if they find the tasks to be FUN (you know, kinda like YOU and ME and some OTHERS in this thead DONT BOT because we ENJOY the tasks) - and once the MAJORITY of players are NOT botting because the tasks were made to be FUN for the MAJORITY, its MUCH EASIER to git rid of the MINORITY that are botting....

Crica promotes botting and gil selling!

He's one of them!

Someone! Someone burn him!

AHHHH!

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i even read what you post - you said players bot even when its fun NOT to bot, you said you find the game fun, so are you botting?

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Do I have to spell out to you what I am saying? People will bot no matter what, because they want to get free gil while being afk. I never said I find gathering fun, relaxing at times maybe, but not fun. People bot in every mmo, and it will not change. The only way to stop them is to constantly ban them. End of story.

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the majority of players whom bot a task do so because they find the task BORING

make the task not boring and the majority of players are not going to bot the task

those that do will be the minority and EASIER to get rid of

as of right now, there are so many players botting THAT particular task, that getting rid of them would be detrimental to the financial future of this game =P

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Yes, you speak for the majority I'm sure...

Anyways to compare using software to automate your way to collect resources and sell them to catching a cold is absurd. I agree with the other poster if you find it boring, then don't participate, next I'm sure you'll logically argue that people who Bot FATES and Xp find the game boring thus making it perfectly fine to Bot.

IDK, If you think more than a meaningless handful people will stop botting if something becomes more "fun" you're rather naive. Most of them don't bot cause of lack of entertainment value, they bot cause its easier and allows you to wrack up mindless gil while AFK, working, or something else. Most of those bots are likely RMT Anyway and i can guarantee you they have no interest in the act of mining fun or otherwise.

Plus there's only so many ways to make Swinging a pickaxe at a Point for an item fun. I mean, You got any ideas? Cause I can't think of sh*t to make Mining "fun". I mean by mining itself is just a sh*tty job to have IRL or in a game. I mean, Even Minecraft gets boring after a while. So unless anyones going to start spitballing ideas to make swinging a pickaxe against a rock surface fun I say stop saying they need to make it fun.

Cause that sh*ts harder than it sounds.

that and fun is suuuuuuuuuuper subjective and I happen to enjoy crafting/Fishing in small doses.

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right now, the majority of the playerbase is BOTTING the boring tasks in this game, are you saying ALL of them are gilsellers?

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Nothing sillier than assuming your personal opinions translate to some majority. Where exactly are you getting this information the the "majority" of legitimate players are botting gathering? I personally don't know anyone who is botting. So, explain your statement. I'm guessing it has something to do with things you pull out of your ass.

What are these "GMs" you speak of

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the MAJORITY will not if they ENJOY the task ... do any of you even read posts before posting?

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no most read the title maybe first sentence and are immediately experts on what you are talking about. Welcome to the internet unfortunatly...

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the majority of players whom bot a task do so because they find the task BORING

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Wow dude, you have some things to deal with.

Some people think sports are boring, does cheating make it better?

Gathering and crafting are entirely optional activities. They're supposed to be enjoyable. If you don't enjoy them, don't do them.
It's sickening that SE continues to turn a blind eye to exploiting and botting, and more so that you have some people condoning it.

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Idk, I do have a feeling that they could at least make mining/gathering more interesting by having a better set of skills that require more thinking like how crafting does it, instead of spamming clicks & rely soly on %.

And fishing can absolutely be more fun since there're a lot of fishing games out there to compare with... lol
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I don't see why you cannot do it? Just accept the same consequence as them when it happens.

It is a free country after all.

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the majority of players whom bot a task do so because they find the task BORING

make the task not boring and the majority of players are not going to bot the task

those that do will be the minority and EASIER to get rid of

as of right now, there are so many players botting THAT particular task, that getting rid of them would be detrimental to the financial future of this game =P

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Lol, or they are botting to farm mats and such, and sell them on the market board, then RMT that gil. Sounds familiar to me.

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the MAJORITY will not if they ENJOY the task ... do any of you even read posts before posting?

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No, that is wholly irrelevant. The purpose of botting is to have a task performed for you without the need to be present/active at the computer yourself. If a person has a bot and is willing to risk using it, they are going to use it whenever they aren't physically at the computer themselves. That's going to happen regardless of the level of enjoyment they would get from the task (or not).

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I love how they use stealth in a no-aggro zone, making them stick out even more.

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I saw this on TONBERRY last night, I was pretty sure it was a bot, now confirmed. They are rampant..SE fix this garbage.

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im talking about LEGIT PLAYERS BOTTING, not gilsellers...

right now, the majority of the playerbase is BOTTING the boring tasks in this game, are you saying ALL of them are gilsellers?

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Someone obviously bots and is trying to justify it. >.>

'Legit players' do not bot because it's against the ToS. Most 'Legit players' don't want to get banned.

I just skimmed over the last 4 pages but are you guys seriously attacking a guy suggesting to make gathering not boring ass chore? Will people still bot like gil sellers? yes...But there is still people using the bots that are "legit" players. This forum is reminding me so bad of the swotr forums where anyone suggest a part of the game is not fun and to eat whatever is served to you on a plate is attacked. It's starting to make me a bit nervous for another Tortanic.

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I just skimmed over the last 4 pages but are you guys seriously attacking a guy suggesting to make gathering not boring ass chore? Will people still bot like gil sellers? yes...But there is still people using the bots that are "legit" players. This forum is reminding me so bad of the swotr forums where anyone suggest a part of the game is not fun and to eat whatever is served to you on a plate is attacked. It's starting to make me a bit nervous for another Tortanic.

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No what people are trying to tell him is that it won't STOP botting as people who bot will bot regardless. Some have even agreeded that gathering could be more fun, but yet again... That won't stop botting.