Wanderer's Palace pudding boss OP?

ok this boss is just painfully ridiculous i have did this dungeon 4 times now and every group i get gets hung on this boss for the rest of the time, this boss is much harder than anything in AK and even on par with HM ifrit, think there will be a nerf anytime soon

you just need a strategy.. I could tell you but it's more fun to discover yourself. any fight is completely doable if you just plan it out

Ahahahaha idk if I'm being trolled or what but this is probably the easiest level 50 boss in the game. Kill adds when they spawn and run when he does his target attack. He dies fast and is about as close to a tank and spank as you get.

What exactly are you having issues on with this boss? telling people it's op but not saying why isn't saying much. This fight is literally kite the boss when he targets a random player and make sure the healer dispels them, for the adds sit in the middle of the room and aoe(they do not do nearly enough dmg to need to be tanked for the few seconds they will be alive), rinse and repeat. If people can't kite due to not being dispelled then tell your healers they need to dispel, if adds aren't dying fast enough then people aren't standing ontop of each other aoeing them down, if anything else is the issue then please post what it is he's really not as hard as some groups make him out to be.

I agree, my guild just got into Binding Coil tonight and we downed the first boss. Even with the few upgrades we got out of where when we try to group up together and go back to Wanderer's Palace we can't figure out how to do it! He has been a constant block on 4-man progression for us! I just wanna see what the last boss in WP looks like! My strategy is: When the adds come out I shit my pants and /leave the group, then log into mumble and ask if they killed it. Hasn't worked so far SE PLEASE HELP!

maybe if people using lv 42 white weapons couldnt queue for WP, groups you got would be able to kill him.

or her.

it.

For those who are mocking op because he/she is having trouble on a boss you are not, everyone has issues at some point, no reason to berate them because you particularly found it easy. On that note, I had trouble the first few times with him because my group couldn't dps adds fast enough but I got it done eventually. Is there specific issue you are having with it? Like the adds?

Here a trick that might make that boss fight easy. Have your healer go in center with the tank when adds spawn and healer aoe those adds. You gain 2 benefit from that 1 is easy for tank to grab all the adds 2 those adds will die alot faster.

Check out my guide on this guy if you are looking for a strat :D heaps of other fights on my channel too if you are ever stuck on anything!

Pudding Boss (aka Giant Bavarois): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSl-7vbc_WY

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Originally Posted by stanrir

ok this boss is just painfully ridiculous i have did this dungeon 4 times now and every group i get gets hung on this boss for the rest of the time, this boss is much harder than anything in AK and even on par with HM ifrit, think there will be a nerf anytime soon

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Troll?

I did WP one time for the exploration with 3 ppl from my FC who haven't done it before as well...we cleared every boss on the first try w/o knowing what they do...it can't be that hard ;)
We died more during the dungeon on the wandering tonberries cause sometimes we ran to rooms and just ran into them xD But the bosses are all a joke.

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Originally Posted by Ragingfungus

Ahahahaha idk if I'm being trolled or what but this is probably the easiest level 50 boss in the game. Kill adds when they spawn and run when he does his target attack. He dies fast and is about as close to a tank and spank as you get.

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No, easiest level 50 boss award goes to the first boss in Palace. The big troll tree thing. All it does is a cone suck in with an aoe posion and a couple of red circles to avoid.

I dunno really? I've seen a few PuG's that seem to have trouble on this boss and others it's just a cake walk. Not really sure what the issue is apart from being slow to take down the adds but there really isn't much you can do wrong on bosses in WP. If somebody raged about that stupid wall in AK i'd agree it's an annoying boss though not an OP one since it doesn't do anything. And neither does the pudding apart from when it chases somebody so it's not even close to being OP.

Killing low HP adds and running around in a circle for 10 seconds... truly OP. Please don't try Titan or Coil.

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Originally Posted by stanrir

ok this boss is just painfully ridiculous i have did this dungeon 4 times now and every group i get gets hung on this boss for the rest of the time, this boss is much harder than anything in AK and even on par with HM ifrit, think there will be a nerf anytime soon

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I have ran this boss a few times an have never failed a run, maybe you get bad players who dont know the fight or cant figure out. When an add spawns 90% of the time you kill it and then go back to boss

I ran this with two bards and we slaughtered that boss.

To me, this boss wasn't too difficult. We wiped only once before we found out what we had to do, but after, we sailed through it pretty easily.

Why does everyone say everything is easy? I have had trouble lots of times and am not afraid to admit it. I wish others who did find it easy would just offer advice on how they beat it instead of just saying its easy, that really doesn't help anyone.

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Originally Posted by Noni

Why does everyone say everything is easy? I have had trouble lots of times and am not afraid to admit it. I wish others who did find it easy would just offer advice on how they beat it instead of just saying its easy, that really doesn't help anyone.

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C'mon, seriously? Kill the adds. Blue one first if it's up or purple, but it doesn't matter cause they all die in two hits, then if it targets you run away. It's braindead easy.

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Originally Posted by Noni

Why does everyone say everything is easy? I have had trouble lots of times and am not afraid to admit it. I wish others who did find it easy would just offer advice on how they beat it instead of just saying its easy, that really doesn't help anyone.

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Again, there were no specifics on what exactly the OP is struggling with. Saying the boss is overpowered is a cop-out. If you want advice, be specific. I have never failed this boss. Kill the adds, and when the boss locks target on you, run away. Done.

you gotta kill the adds kinda in a kill order, like always kill the blue one first b/c it heals the others, then it goes like white green purple or something like that

only time ive had trouble with this is when the dps are undergeared and the adds dont die fast enough.
Its pretty much never the tanks fault on this one.

If the adds dont die fast enough and the single focus phase targets the healer its gameover because they usually get para/heavy'd and then the pudding swipe hits for 2k ish damage on them

I've done Tonberry island (I don't care what it's real name is, to me it will always be Tonberry Island) so many times, the bosses know me by name.

The pudding can be a real annoying boss if you're not careful. The adds can stack up, and without good DPS or AOE attacks the paralyze and heavy will cause deaths.

You always kill blue then white on the adds. When targeted, run round the edges until the boss returns to the tank.

The dungeon is beautiful, and a lot of fun. It doesn't need changing mechanically, just a little strategy and the boss will go down leaving you thinking "how didn't I beat that hours ago?"

Good luck!

I've done this fight 3 times in pugs and never had an issue with it. Kill blue adds first, manage aggro, tank and spank. What is so hard?

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Originally Posted by Noni

Why does everyone say everything is easy?

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Because anything that people have trouble with is apparently overpowered...

That fight is super easy. Even if your dps sucks as a WHM you can just use Holy and practically kill the adds yourself.

Clearly the content is the problem.

the adds are the issue if it seems like i need full DL DPS before they can ever burn adds fast enough and thats pretty sad considering this dungeon is suppose to be before CM and Praetorium, maybe im just really unlucky with duty finder

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Originally Posted by stanrir

the adds are the issue if it seems like i need full DL DPS before they can ever burn adds fast enough and thats pretty sad considering this dungeon is suppose to be before CM and Praetorium, maybe im just really unlucky with duty finder

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It's extremely poorly skilled players if dl dps is needed for this boss, could be you're getting a lot of dps that did nothing but fate grind but ya....when people were actually doing it a lot 2-3 weeks ago it was being laughed at with people in leveling af gear, only real issue with said gear is tonberry king and if you have an overzealous dps that goes over a certain stack constantly.

Uh DL DPS for the adds? OMG lol, run this dungeon twice with only level 44 GC weapon + AF armor. Clear it both times with no problem, was hoping to get my lance there so I can clear AK but sadly no lance drop both times. Went and clear AK with the same level 44 GC lance.

It's not hugely gear dependent. Had one run a couple of days ago where both DPS (I think it was a Lancer and Summoner) had outdated lvl 44 or so pink weapons and i'm like "oh great we'll be wiping on second boss a lot if i don't strain my mana by spamming Holy all the time" then quickly realised they were doing just fine on their own so i was able to focus on removing debuffs from the tank. Next day i get another group that is on progress stuck on second boss. Examine Summoner and Black Mage and they both have lvl 50 starter weapons from GC or crafted. Started the boss and they took hours to kill the adds. Eventually too many adds are still up when the boss focuses on me taking the adds with him and i get a debuff stack and get trampled. The Summoner....Blames me for the wipe. If there are that many adds still up when focus happens and it's on the healer there isn't really much they can do except hope to get lucky enough to have space to remove debuffs and avoid the oncoming swipe.

I used to think gear was the issue but lack of ability to learn your class and follow a kill order are the main issues. The main cause is the fact Fate grinding is so easy to do so people get a shortcut to lvl 50 and even if they then craft or buy decent gear they have no idea how to play their class because they never practiced properly by spamming a lot of dungeons.

He can one shot healers, his "melee" attack or whatever it is, has
a very long range.

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Originally Posted by Noni

Why does everyone say everything is easy? I have had trouble lots of times and am not afraid to admit it. I wish others who did find it easy would just offer advice on how they beat it instead of just saying its easy, that really doesn't help anyone.

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OP didn't ask for help

OP said its harder than HM Ifrit and asked when the nerf was coming. Don't expect constructive replies if you type... that.

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Originally Posted by stanrir

ok this boss is just painfully ridiculous i have did this dungeon 4 times now and every group i get gets hung on this boss for the rest of the time, this boss is much harder than anything in AK and even on par with HM ifrit, think there will be a nerf anytime soon

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This boss can honestly be very tough, even for well geared parties. Contrary to many people's statements, it's not "stupid easy". Saying something like that is arrogant and one sided, YOU have no trouble, that doesn't mean that everyone will breeze through as easily as you do. Now that that is out of the way, the OP asked for help, even if the OP asked about if you THINK (not saying there should, but if you THINK) there might be a nerf in the future does not mean you all have to act like blizzard's wow junkies and jump down the OP's throat
Op wanted help, so here is help.

The giant pudding boss will spawn adds on a timer, not based on it's life, it will spawn many varieties. Blue (heals the adds, boss and stone skins them), purple (casts heavy on the target), white (casts a frost style debuff), green (haven't figured out what this one does yet, may be just damage), yellow (paralyzes). These adds should, realistically be dropped in a particular order, the order my Linkshell uses is: Blue, Purple, yellow, white, green. This order allows you to neutralize threats the quickest. Now, you can take these adds out with aoe, and that is preferable, but not every group will have this possibility in front of them. You can drop the adds quickly using one of two methods, either single target and burn as quick as possible, or start with your whm and holy them. The important thing is that the tank needs to grab hate right away, warriors can grab hate slightly easier than paladins in this case with steel cyclone, but an on the ball paladin can grab them all with a few well placed flashes. Now, assuming you have destroyed the adds in time, shortly after they spawn, the boss will "target" someone and a mark will appear. If you have a summoner or a bard have them use tri-disaster and shadowbind respectively. This will allow the person being chased to get as far away from the boss as they can. The one chased should run around the outer edge of the room, and, assuming they can spare the tp, sprint can help greatly in survival. If no adds have been dropped, or only a few, they will also chase and debuff the target (part of why after dropping the healer you drop the ones that debuff). After they attempt to smack down one of your party, the boss will return to the tank (assuming the tank still has the most hate), and, shortly again, another set of mobs will appear. The first two pops of adds, do not have blue in them, so focus from purple onward, whatever is missing. If you have a black mage, or summoner, they can limit break the third pop of adds to eliminate them all at once, making the fight much easier on the healer and everyone else. This fight is a dps race, if you aren't quick on taking the adds, nothing prevents the next group from spawning and it's easy (far too easy) to get overwhelmed.
when the boss has less than 10% health, it's not a bad idea to hyper focus on the boss and ignore the adds, if your dps is quick enough, you can avoid another game of "tag" with the boss.

I hope this guide helps you, honestly, despite being a long term MMO veteran myself and a legacy player, I too found this stupid pudding to be the hardest boss I've faced thus far.

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Originally Posted by Ragingfungus

Ahahahaha idk if I'm being trolled or what but this is probably the easiest level 50 boss in the game. Kill adds when they spawn and run when he does his target attack. He dies fast and is about as close to a tank and spank as you get.

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Except for the previous boss which is actually tank and spank

Hm, I don't think it's that hard but it is the toughest fight of the instance. It, like pretty much every other fight in the game requires strategy and a good dps punch to carry along with it.

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Originally Posted by Amari

I've done Tonberry island (I don't care what it's real name is, to me it will always be Tonberry Island) so many times, the bosses know me by name.

The pudding can be a real annoying boss if you're not careful. The adds can stack up, and without good DPS or AOE attacks the paralyze and heavy will cause deaths.

You always kill blue then white on the adds. When targeted, run round the edges until the boss returns to the tank.

The dungeon is beautiful, and a lot of fun. It doesn't need changing mechanically, just a little strategy and the boss will go down leaving you thinking "how didn't I beat that hours ago?"

Good luck!

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Because the name of the dungeon wasn't displayed on the link you clicked to get into this thread, right?