BRD Limit Break

Hello,

While doing some Amdapor runs as PLD with my BRD brother using duty finder, we had 5 instances where we would pick up another BRD as our second DD. Each time this happened we would have extreme difficulty beating the wall boss, because the bard job doesnt have a DD limit break in order to down one of the fly mobs like when you have any other DD job. My question is why didn't SE see to it that BRD be able to chose between the healing LB or the DD LB? I hate to be the guy that leaves a run ( I feel terrible leaving a PT as a PLD ) because the run will be either really time consuming or nearly impossible with a regular two BRD PT ( I have beat the mob with two bards but both were fully DL geared ) I can see that BRD is a DD/Support job, so why not have them be able to do both LB?

if both bards have ifrit weapon and mostly ilvl50+ gear they should have no issues downing the bees without lb's.

If bards had the single target DD LB then you would always bring like 3 bards to any raid because they'd be so OP. They already are the easiest class to use and deal great damage in addition to having great utility. Overall, bards don't need any buff, at all.

Stunning the bee's AoE goes a looooooooooooooooong way too. Your Blunt Arrow attack (silence) will do the trick.

Never had such issue on the wall. Either both bard are under geared for AK or they are not playing well.

I felt like its because the devs wanted to at least give one reason to pick another dps class for your group :P

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Originally Posted by Zatara_Locklear

if both bards have ifrit weapon and mostly ilvl50+ gear they should have no issues downing the bees without lb's.

If bards had the single target DD LB then you would always bring like 3 bards to any raid because they'd be so OP. They already are the easiest class to use and deal great damage in addition to having great utility. Overall, bards don't need any buff, at all.

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I can see your point but the point I was making is that when you have two BRDs being the DD's to an intermediate dungeon that drops the gear and seals necessary for those jobs to advance in other harder dungeons I personally don't like being judgmental about someone having gear not above ilvl50. I also get what your'e saying about if they had the DDLB people would chose them as opposed to any other DD for raids. I don't see this being a buff to BRD inside a duty finder dungeon. Maybe a fix would be that inside duty finder BRD can chose the type of LB.

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Originally Posted by Itseotle

Stunning the bee's AoE goes a looooooooooooooooong way too. Your Blunt Arrow attack (silence) will do the trick.

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This is very true. There are ways to beat it with a lot of strategy and its better that these BRD's learn all their skills ( which I dont know ). I usually have to ( as PLD ) get the Flies hate and wait for the BRD's to down them. Two outcomes happen. either the healer dies or runs out of MP, or we beat it with very little HP left. I dont want the wall to be easier than it already is. But I think that if a party is created in duty finder and two BRD's are picked up at random, would it be that hard to give BRD the option to do the DDLB also?

There are similar situations like Ifrit Hm being very hard to beat if you dont have a mage limit. This doesnt mean that every DD should have an additional AOE LB, rather maybe the DF just shouldnt build parties without those classes to begin with.

The DF actually prioritizes to give one dps slot to a melee and the other to a range dps, i feel for some dungeons it might help if this was mandatory, i dont think the queue times would be that much longer.

lol cause BRD needs MORE? Get real.

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Originally Posted by Layenem

lol cause BRD needs MORE? Get real.

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BRD is good that's true but if your'e in DF and you get two random DD's and they are both BRD's the chances of beating the wall on AK drops dramatically, again not impossible, and I don't wish for a free win. But when it comes down to randomly finding members and it happens that no member in that pt has a DD LB that specific mob becomes hit or miss at best. The point of DF is to put characters together without MUCH discrimination, and being that the choices are "Hey dude sorry but we already have a BRD we are leaving" or lets wipe 7 times until we all get frustrated and leave, giving BRD the DDLB seems like something SE could do in order to make this GAME more enjoyable.

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Originally Posted by Amasai

giving BRD the DDLB seems like something SE could do in order to make this GAME more enjoyable.

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Originally Posted by ChaozK

maybe the DF just shouldnt build parties without those classes to begin with.

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Does this not sound better than making an arguably unbalanced class even more unbalanced?

What would be the reason to bring melee if BRD had a DPS limit break and could do everything melee can do and not have to worry about most boss mechanics?

I can agree that the DF system should not stack the same DPS in a 4 man run at least. It wouldn't be hard to find another type of DPS. Although it seems everyone wants to play BRD.

How many of a Bard's casts are interrupted by dodging purple lanes? How many of a Bard's positional requirements are impossible to execute because the boss has no rear? How much does a Bard's DPS drop when they are knocked to the back of the room?

Do you imagine that fight is easy with two entry-level Dragoons? Two Summoners?

I do think the DF needs to pay more attention to the jobs of the players it parties together. I do not think Bard needs more DPS.

To be blunt if your dps can't do wall they are just bad. I lvl white gear to convert in my ak runs and down the wall 1 repel after bees. That said I do think bards lb is silly and should be changed. Bards more than any class though need some change in way of a nerf as they currently stand dominant at the top of most wanted end game dps.

With 2 bards the wall should be almost dead when the 2 bees pop so you shouldn't even have to kill them lol. Find you a new brd friend.

If bard is supposed to be a support class shouldn't they have a completely separate limit? Maybe buffs to mp, tp regen, and skill and spell speed or something.

I really don't get what's the issue here, especially for AK. I've done multiple runs with 2 bards even in full AF and we were killing the demon wall even faster than with a DPS limit... have you ever considered that maybe your bards are just really bad?

Having the healing LB on Bard is actually very useful when you want to use it for raids. Often you need your healer healing just a short time after the LB. The stupidly long time sitting in one place the LB forces on you isn't exactly devastating when a DPS is doing it.

Not sure if this'll help much or not but if you're in this situation again a semi geared tank can hold both bees to one side while the DD (BRDs in your case) focus down the wall, it's the only way I have ever done this fight and I play a MNK ^^;

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Originally Posted by Amasai

My question is why didn't SE see to it that BRD be able to chose between the healing LB or the DD LB?

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Yes, let's have them choose which LB they want to do. Oh, and give them the ability to tank. Oh and heal! Faceroll to win.

Being bard is tough.

I'd just like to add that most wall failures come down to bad healing. If people are avoiding the purple zones you shouldn't be wiping at that part. I have zero issue with my whm when I have regen on everyone and cast medica 2 directly before or after the bee repel and too often I see healers just trying to cure everyone.

I didn't know people used the Limit Break on the bees. In my groups we usually AOE them down or just kill the wall (healer DPS) and ignore the bees.

The first time I did AK, we just killed the bees with single target DPS, no LB. Shrug.

i hope SE can give bard an dps limit break,
We have no healing abilitys.
We have some ballad, we can't even cast raise unless you go archer.

They should give bard like XI Ranger Eagle Eye Shot would be some intressting.

It would make sense to have the SUPPORT job be able to choose between the three types of limits. Tank, heal, or damage. At least from a functionality aspect.

I get that some people seem to think that brad is already way too OP but I think this would have been the appropriate thing to do with bard and any other support jobs that may come out in the future.

And if they ever add a buff/debuff job have the limits do extended and stronger buffs or debuffs but let them choose which they would like to use. Buff or debuff.

Makes no sense to me to be quite honest, this adds some versatility for picking specific classes/jobs for dungeons, raids and so forth. Iam a bard myself and I do honestly disagree, every job has been assigned their specific Limitbreak and they all work in different situations, the bard is indeed a supportclass with their songs etc. and for that reason they should have a "supportoriented" limitbreak, one of the main reasons we do deal such great damage is due to the fact that we can move while attacking, I rather keep that than having a DPS LB. Not that iam saying that the movement while attacking is the reason we got a support Limitbreak, just saying tht it makes sense for a support to have a supportoriented limitbreak.

I think the bard lb3 is amazing, it can save a party from a full wipe!

Trust me the bard class doesn't need any more extras...

Yesterday we've done AK with DF in 30 minutes with 2 bards. The tank immediatly asked if we were new (he would have left if yes), then he rushed like crazy. I wear some toxotes, DL and crafted jewellery with materias + Ifrit weapon. The other bard had quite the same gear, and Garuda Weapon. For Demon Wall, the tank (who had relic) told us to focus the boss. When the bees came he tanked them and we easilly burned down the boss. One of the easiest and fastest AK run I had.

The only fight where "bards only" have been a problem is HM Ifrit, to burn the nails, but with good gear it might be doable. Sorry for my english.