40 minutes wait til for Instances....really?

Many things annoys me with this game, top among them is the wait time for instances. 40 minutes for an archer to ge into an instance.

Do I pay the money to sit around on my thumbs doing nothing?
No. I do pay to play to actually be allowed to play.

and since storyline can not be progressed without going into instance this is a time trap.
and I have heard nothing that leads me to believe that there is any kind of alleviation for this problem.

When this 30 day period is done I am not sure I will want to pay anymore. I am not a fan of sitting around on my arse doing nothing.

Don't use the duty finder to make a group. You are a dps there are a ton of you out there if you want instant ques either make friends with a tank or a healer or you could roll tank your self

this is a MMO, make friends, join a LS or FC and use them to do things with people. DPS is always a longer wait and there are plenty of things u can do while you wait.

dont want to wait, play a tank/healer or make friends with some of them to queue with and the world is different. As many ppl already do this solo DPS queue gets very long as DPS with a tank jump u in line because the tank is needed in the front of the line.

There are thousands of DPS out there all in line like you waiting for an instance. It is not just you waiting on a tank/healer. Party make up is 4, 1 tank, 1 healer, 2 dps. Now, to break some numbers in now granted actual numbers WILL vary. For every 1 tank there are 40 DPS, and for every Healer there are 20 dps. That means, you are 1 DPS out of 40 DPS waiting on 1 tank to Queue. Your odds of getting in are slim, but the Duty Finder Will keep moving you up in the Queue as DPS get their Instances and/or drop out of the Duty Finder.

Best suggestion, make friends with a tank/healer. Show them why they should run with you by being GOOD DPS. That doesn't mean pulling the Highest Numbers. It means following the Markings they layout (if any), stay out of Avoidable AOE's, move to run out of them, help with Silences, use the songs before being asked to (as a bard you have songs) and do your best to assist the tank. If you see a pat moving in, and the tank is obviously overwhelmed because of say a bad pull, kite the new add around until the Tank can pick it up and let him pick up, run it towards him, let him grab it off you then run out, let him get a head start on it then open fire. Show them that you are worth your weight and I can and will say, that you will be on top of his list when looking for DPS. I have very few DPS on my Friends List, and its for a reason. They showed me they have what it takes. Also join a FC and LS. You will have better odds.

It's only going to become longer as people hit 50 and feel no need to do most dungeons again. Get your story done while you still can.

Building progression into the story is a nice idea, but I agree, get one job through it now because soon no one will be doing the progression dungeons. I think by the end of next month you'll have to rely on begging to bet people to queue those, especially the first 4.

Do not worry... you will wait even longer to grind the same dungeons over and over and over at 50.

There is nothing SE can do right now, the problem is there are not enough tanks. If you are sitting around doing nothing while queued, you are doing it wrong anyways. Go do something else like Fates, Hunting log, gathering, crafting, exploring or level another class. BUT dont fret with patch 2.1 (november) we will get server intern party search tool, with this and DF it will be even easier and do go join a FC or make some friends to play with.

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Originally Posted by Jotunhammer

Many things annoys me with this game, top among them is the wait time for instances. 40 minutes for an archer to ge into an instance.

Do I pay the money to sit around on my thumbs doing nothing?
No. I do pay to play to actually be allowed to play.

and since storyline can not be progressed without going into instance this is a time trap.
and I have heard nothing that leads me to believe that there is any kind of alleviation for this problem.

When this 30 day period is done I am not sure I will want to pay anymore. I am not a fan of sitting around on my arse doing nothing.

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Oh my god, why does everyone think they are so entitled?

The game gives you as much as you put into it. Don't want to sit there? SO DON'T. Kill mobs, do FATEs, read the strategy of the dungeons you're in queue to run, so you don't end up as another coat-tailing scrub dying to things they shouldn't be. The world is your oyster bro, stop crying. No one cares.

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Originally Posted by Acaelus

Oh my god, why does everyone think they are so entitled?

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I will give you one good reason. CAUSE WE PAY FOR IT!!!

Or would you like to go and buy a car and be allowed to drive it for 20 minutes a day. Heck why should you feel entitled to drive it further then eh?

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Originally Posted by Jotunhammer

I will give you one good reason. CAUSE WE PAY FOR IT!!!

Or would you like to go and buy a car and be allowed to drive it for 20 minutes a day. Heck why should you feel entitled to drive it further then eh?

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You Pay for the game overall not just the dungeons. As people said you don't have to wait to play the game ever, You in a queue for a dungeon go do something while you wait. There are plenty of things to do in this game. Fates are actually quite fun.

Edit: Also a counter to that Car analogy: I don't know about you but I wait in queues to drive my car all the time. It's called traffic, other people wanting to drive their cars can definitely cause me to not be able to drive mine the way I want. No worries though like this game cars offer other things to do while you are in the traffic queue. Look out the window to enjoy scenery, listen to the radio, etc.

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Originally Posted by Jotunhammer

I will give you one good reason. CAUSE WE PAY FOR IT!!!

Or would you like to go and buy a car and be allowed to drive it for 20 minutes a day. Heck why should you feel entitled to drive it further then eh?

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What an utterly shit analogy. By your logic then while im driving my car why must i be forced to stop at the lights when i payed to be able to drive from A to B instead of "sit on my arse"? Other ppl need passed at the crossroads do they not? Same rule applies then that other dps need their chance with a healer and tank to get into an instance.

Regardless of what your mother has told, you are not special and the universe does not revolve around you. As others said if you want a speedier instance access then roll a job that gets invites more often like tank and healer otherwise shut up and put up with it.

This que problem is nothing to do with SE or their management of duty finder but rather the epeen many feel the need to stroke with a dps class.

haha...of all the things to complain about with dungeon queues right now you actually picked one of the few things that are working normally for MMOs. If you seriously have a problem with this then I suggest you stick to single player because SE can do very little to balance who wants to DPS/Tank/Heal...SE already announced they will be implementing incentives to queue as the most needed role but that won't fix queue time for DPS, might help a tiny bit.

The problem is that SE should've made groups of 5 people and not 4.
Now it requires that 2 from the 4 people are either tank or healer while in not 1 game you get that.
I mean how many games have you played were 50% of population is either tank or healer?
If they add new classes I can't imagine it will be better cause those who like to tank do that now already so I don't believe they will with a new job think wow lets start tanking. same goes for the healingclasses.
If SE would allow 1 more dps in a party and give all instances mobs more hp so it is same difficulty i think the problem would be solved.

So main issue is the setup of queuing solo when most/many queue with partial group (they understand what friends, ls, and FC are there for) and the partial group jumps ahead of the solo because of the need for tank/healer at the front.

I always queue with a tank and/or a healer as DPS and its real quick, queue solo and well i mosty afk or potentially do this when i am gathering just because it will be some time before i get a pop.

And for those who comment about 20:1 ratios, go look up the information from lastnights live letter from TGS, they showed the numbers for class distribution (from 9/12 so about a week old) and it is Very close to a 1:1:2 ratio as required by the DF, so stop saying it needs to be 1:1:3 and remake the entire game to account for an extra dps in the group.

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all the things to complain about with dungeon queues right now you actually picked one of the few things that are working normally for MMOs

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Good joke.

While it's easy enough to go do other things while waiting in queue, the fact is that waiting for a 60 minute queue for a 45-90 minute dungeon (depending on how well it goes) which, because you're in duty finder, might not even be a successful run... it sucks. It really, really sucks. Nevermind what happens if you have a group like I did today where our healer literally left the instance 15 seconds in. That was it. Bam. 60 minutes of waiting and then another 60 because of one person deciding to about face.

It literally took two hours to get into a dungeon I had to do to complete the plot - which ran almost the full 90 minutes because of a terrible tank. The problem isn't that I mind the wait times, it's that I have no choice - I had to commit to a four hour session to try to progress the plot of a game.

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Originally Posted by Garlyle

It literally took two hours to get into a dungeon I had to do to complete the plot - which ran almost the full 90 minutes because of a terrible tank. The problem isn't that I mind the wait times, it's that I have no choice - I had to commit to a four hour session to try to progress the plot of a game.

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So why not queue up with people on your server, from friends list, from an LS, or from a FC? queue with atleast one of the healer or tanks spots filled and time drops significantly. And not only is it faster, you can repeat the experience for other dung if they are actually good and have higher success rates in the runs than just using the DF.

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Originally Posted by KogaDrake

So why not queue up with people on your server, from friends list, from an LS, or from a FC? queue with atleast one of the healer or tanks spots filled and time drops significantly. And not only is it faster, you can repeat the experience for other dung if they are actually good and have higher success rates in the runs than just using the DF.

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If it's AK or any Hard Mode Primal, they'll jump at the opportunity. Because those are relevant to them. But otherwise?

You need to have someone who A. is in one of those classes, B. is online, and C. actually wants to do it with you. Which, given that dungeons give really underwhelming experience and some pretty terrible loot drops if you're 5+ levels over the dungeon itself... you're basically asking them to give up their time for you. Some will. Some won't.

Sometimes I've been lucky enough to get them. Other days my entire FC is too busy doing AK runs to lend a hand, and because I'm only able to play a couple days a week I've been left completely in the dust in progression.

The point is, I can have an FC that has thirty people online, ask "hey anyone want to queue for Stone Vigil", and get no responses. "Just queue up with someone in advance" is not always an applicable solution.

I am a tank and I had to wait 20 minutes today to get a group for the dungeon, I do NOT like the fact that you can not skip the dungeon to advance the story. Its the most stupidest thing I have ever seen in a MMO. Once the servers are top heavy new players are going to be totally screwed over with super long wait times!

Hai, I'm a tank (at 50 as you can see) and i have to wait for 15-30 minutes for queues at primetime (longer on the weekends when I have more copious time to play,) with or without a full party ready to go. While this may or may not be a problem for everyone, it is completely ridiculous to have this reserved (aka limited amount of instances) instance problem.

This shit is pure bush league from one of the biggest game developers out there. The last patch was supposed to alleviate some of these issues, but I haven't seen any difference whatsoever. Considering Squenix has produced FF11, FF14v1 and FF14v2, you would expect them to get it right by now, or at least take a queue (get it, queue) from the dominant MMO and just fix their pure programming fubars by month one and then start working on game balancing.

Bottom line is the instance reservation system is garbage and should go. Nothing can really be done about tanks and healers queueing more aside from a prize bag like WoW has.

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Originally Posted by Jotunhammer

I will give you one good reason. CAUSE WE PAY FOR IT!!!

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You paid for an account and probably 30 days of access, not instant queues and everything you can make up on top of your head (to keep it civil).

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Originally Posted by Loxius

The problem is that SE should've made groups of 5 people and not 4.

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Just for reference, even with 5 player parties the queue times will be relatively unchanged. Sure, they'd go down a little, but not much. WoW has 5-man parties, with incentives for the role missing the most, and still has 30-60 minute dps queues. If you want no queue times for anyone, the only way is to abolish tank and healers so any 4 people are a party. That would make combat terribly dull and/or insanely hard.

There are just too few people willing to even TRY tanking or healing for the queue times to ever move down.

The argument of "don't like it, roll a tank/healer" doesn't work when you are leveling your alt jobs. Also; I'm in a FC of over 400 people. It's STILL not always possible to get a group.

I don't mind waiting, but when I literally wait for close to an hour just to try and advance the story, it gets tiresome.

The original Guild Wars had a similar concept where the main Missions had to be done with minimum 4 players, so this isn't exactly a new problem. Yes, it's very annoying, the reality is just that as we get less people playing the low level dungeons and with more DPS classes/jobs than Tank and Healer options, it's going to be a problem. GW tried to solve it with hireable AI henchman, and later the addition of AI controlled heroes (basically customisable henchman). Not a perfect solution, but it did help.

Also, just joining a LS of FC won't always solve the problems, you need to find like minded players. I'm currently levelling my Marauder so I can try tanking dungeons, but with my latency (connecting to EU servers from ZA is 180ms minimum, 250-250ms avg) it's a challenge, and I've found many players that don't exactly fall into the "great community" description.

If it makes you feel any better OP, I'm a healer and from lvl 30 up, it's been taking me 20, usually 30+ mins to get into a dungeon from the queue. ;x You may not believe that, but it's the truth. Oh and, bear in mind that you will only have to do it once for the story per character I guess. :)