The Entire Duty finder is a great System however! I believe it makes it extremely simple for people to just abandon their groups...with rarely any penalty in place for such behavior.
***15 minutes is not enough to cause people to second guess their actions.***
I would like to see SE provide stricter punishment for those that seem to find this type of action acceptable in this game. Final Fantasy XI taught discipline and a need to persevere yet FFXIV is promoting trolling among other simple minded behaviors. I suggest a longer penalty or temporary ban from that specific instance for half a day to a day in order to educate players to persevere through difficulties and working with other players.
Abandoning Instaces - Duty Finder Behavior Issue!
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09-21-2013, 08:16 AMLucimonAbandoning Instaces - Duty Finder Behavior Issue!
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09-21-2013, 08:19 AMSlambo
15 minutes is plenty.
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09-21-2013, 08:24 AMAzurein
While your frustration is understandable, there are many more reasons for a person to leave a group other than trolling.
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09-21-2013, 08:25 AMSeig345
Will this new punishment system punish us for getting disconnected? No?
I don't like this group, they aren't elite enough. *pulls ethernet cable/disconnects wifi*
If I get disconnected only to get banned from DF for a day or more just to nail the jerks, that's punishing everyone, not the people that 'need' to be 'punished'. If it doesn't punish disconnects, the jerks will just pull the plug to get around it. -
09-21-2013, 08:37 AMnekochen
Here's what just happened to me 2 minutes ago in Garuda HM.
The tank has 4.2k HP, he loves that slipstream which he'll do whatever in his power to catch it -- while it does 3.8k damage to him.
The other healer has less than 3k HP, which means he cannot even survive through the transition into phase 2.
I wonder why people are calling out others elitists and jerks because they simply understands the fight is being made unnecessarily harder than it should be -- if not at all impossible, by the action or those under-geared individuals who deem it's a "waste of time" to come properly geared or prepared.
It looks like the item level restriction on dungeon is a necessary step. -
09-21-2013, 08:41 AMSlamboThis is just wrong information right here.Quote:
Originally Posted by nekochen
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09-21-2013, 08:49 AMZaikenNo it's not, 15 Minutes go make a Sandwich then come back to que and be Douche Bag again. Make it 25 Minutes for Abandon your group Members if Duty started.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slambo
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09-21-2013, 08:51 AMSlamboStill think 15 is plenty. Have you seen a group torment a player just to get them to drop group so that they can avoid the debuff? It needs to stay 15 minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaiken
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09-21-2013, 08:52 AMLucimon
I stated 15min was a penalty just not enough....
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09-21-2013, 08:56 AMDoctorPepper
As a healer I can't say this really bothers me but I do feel bad for the dps. Honestly, the only thing that really needs to be added here is the ability to reque as a group for the same fight if somebody leaves. If it's a primal reset the timer so that the newly made group can start over fresh and make people join it regardless of having party in progress checked since said timer is reset.
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09-21-2013, 08:56 AMLucimon
Question did you play Final Fantasy XI? Most likely not with that response. The Discipline I am talking about that FFXI players had instilled in them through the difficult and training to work together rather then just up and quit for what ever reason. Putting grudges aside and attitude in order to get the job. For instance, Dynamis lol 72hr cooldown you sure as hell aren't going to be dropping group or quitting due to a fail pull / attitude with someone else / or what ever other reason. I am simply askimng Square Enix to continue to push for its strict governing of game play mechanics. It's honestly not frustration, it's coming from another community by square-enix as i have said again, instilled discipline in its game play, which is being negated here in FFXIV.
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09-21-2013, 08:57 AMSlamboYeah I read that.. then I read your ideas for fixing it. They were bad. Players don't need to be further punished for bailing on a situation they don't feel like being in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucimon
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09-21-2013, 09:00 AMLucimonThis is where reporting comes into play and what not, but still 15 minutes not enough >> if a group wants to torment someone to quit they can be reported and have action taken against them. There needs to be some type of new guideline for abandoning instances. 15minutes its really not enough ~ I for one am a positive person and I work to get things solved I would perfectly be fine with getting banned from a particular instance for the remaining day if I were to abandon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slambo
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09-21-2013, 09:10 AMLucimon
I agree at the same time it just makes it really easy to abuse the system so i'm willing to go with the latter, FFXI managed with it long cooldowns for almost a decade im sure FFXIV can manage as well with harsh punishments. People want everything handed to them easy that's just not how its gona work if you can't handle "playing with randoms" make your own group. The option is there to choose who you play with Square Enix made that available now for that actually play with randoms and are willing to work with them deserve to have that experience as well.
#1 I agree with you, Players don't need to be further punished for bailing on a situation they don't feel like being in.
#2 Some people enjoy helping other and playing with random people and are willing to deal with possible issues.
Answer: Don't randomly Que for instances, form your groups so everyone knows what they are getting into.
That is why I agree with some form of greater restriction on abandoning. -
09-21-2013, 09:35 AMEwyrm
If you make it so they can't quit they will just go afk or rush to their and your death over and over. I say this because people will say, Oh we will report them foe afking in dungeon so instead of afking they intentionally die quickly so the party wipes knowing that they can't get in trouble for playing poorly.
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09-21-2013, 09:50 AMSlatervonjager
Heres a good example of why a half day/full day ban would be stupid.
I got into Arlum Vale, our tank couldn't hold aggro, so our healer complained. the tank reacted like a child, and started calling the healer names. So now we have a fight going on between those two, all before the first boss mind you. We start the boss, the tank dies on purpose, we all die, we all respawn, except for the tank. No, he's inclined to sit in their, and keep the boos area locked, all to spite just the healer. Asking him to please not punish the whole party because of an issue with one person did no good either. No, instead, he just didn't respond, and stat there. So what are we to do? We can't kick him from the party as no system is in place. The healer quits thinking it will make the tank play. Now its just 3 of us, tank is still in FU mode. Bard quits leaving me and the tank, two more people join, tank still sits there. 5 minutes go buy, they leave. I'm forced to leave as well. -
09-21-2013, 10:18 AMShurq
They'd need to implement a vote kick system before they increased abandoning penalties.
I doubt you would have rolled into a dungeon with a 72hr lockout with just anybody. You would have vetted their gear and where possible gone with people you knew could stay out of the poo. If, heaven forbid, the new player you just took a chance on proved to be hopeless beyond redemption, you'd remember the name so you needn't run with them ever again.
The Duty Finder gives us none of these. The anonymity provided by it encourages some people to attempt to coast their way to free gear on the backs of people they might never encounter again and who currently can't do anything to get rid of them.
I know I know, if I want greater control over the gear and skill of the people I am playing with I can feel free to form a group of my own outside of the duty finder but, then again, if you don't want people leaving your dungeon before the end you can form your own groups too.