Is HM Titan even doable via DF?

Is he? It queues you for two tanks, but there really only seems to be a need for one. The second tank seems to just be dead-weight.

It also seems like many groups run with 3 healers (only one SCH). Every time I've queued up for HM Titan, I always seem to get two SCH healers, dooming us to inevitable failure.

I want to get this fight down so that I can finish my relic quest, but just can't seem to find an organized group that doesn't already have a tank. I've been trying in DF, but all of those groups have just been utterly hopeless. I'm just not sure what to do.

Sounds like you need to build your own group.

Join an FC and finish Titan. You will not get it done via DF.

Yes it is possible, however there is definitely an element of luck in it. If you get PLD/WAR, you can have the WAR add to the DPS. This is as optimal as having an actual DPS in that slot, but it still works. PLD/PLD though doesn't work anywhere near as well unfortunately. Also, it is definitely possible with 2 healers, and to my disbelief, even 2 SCH, although it it probably worth noting I already had my relic and 90% DL gear, and ran with 5 DPS.

If you want a group that has optimal balance, premades are definitely the way to go (if you can find one), but you can definitely DF it, it is just a lucky dip and you'll probably go through quite a few before you actually pull it off. Might be worth noting though that I'm part of a JP DF server list thingo, so the 'attitude' towards HM Titan might be different for EU/NA servers.

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Originally Posted by Jynxii

Yes it is possible, however there is definitely an element of luck in it. If you get PLD/WAR, you can have the WAR add to the DPS. This is as optimal as having an actual DPS in that slot, but it still works. PLD/PLD though doesn't work anywhere near as well unfortunately. Also, it is definitely possible with 2 healers, and to my disbelief, even 2 SCH, although it it probably worth noting I already had my relic and 90% DL gear, and ran with 5 DPS.

If you want a group that has optimal balance, premades are definitely the way to go (if you can find one), but you can definitely DF it, it is just a lucky dip and you'll probably go through quite a few before you actually pull it off. Might be worth noting though that I'm part of a JP DF server list thingo, so the 'attitude' towards HM Titan might be different for EU/NA servers.

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Japanese servers don't count, I am sure you can DF this on a JP server. JP has less fail players than the NA does.

One of our FC members just beat Titan HM through a Duty Finder PUG last night. So, it's doable. The question is can you do it consistently? Based on the number of times I've tried, and other FC members have tried no...not reliably with a DF pick up group.

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Originally Posted by Ruprect

Japanese servers don't count, I am sure you can DF this on a JP server. JP has less fail players than the NA does.

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GENERALIZATIONS HOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Ruprect

Japanese servers don't count, I am sure you can DF this on a JP server. JP has less fail players than the NA does.

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Haha yeah I have no experience on NA/EU servers, which is why I felt it necessary to mention. I've read a lot about the only people heading into HM Titan DF are people that have suboptimal gear and are uncoordinated, and as such was surprised when 99% of players had full DL gear and didn't get knocked off or hit by Weight of the Land when I started pushing it. That said, my first few groups failed horribly, but none the less they were decently geared. :P

On the other hand, DF does give you plenty of practice to dodge and learn patterns, assuming your group manages to make it past phase 1. I'd definitely be looking for a premade in the mean time though, since you can get a more optimal balance and root out the uncoordinated players.

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Originally Posted by Errors

One of our FC members just beat Titan HM through a Duty Finder PUG last night. So, it's doable. The question is can you do it consistently? Based on the number of times I've tried, and other FC members have tried no...not reliably with a DF pick up group.

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Legacy servers don't count either. lol

Short answer,no.
Long answer, Nnnnnnnnnoooooo.

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Originally Posted by OrigamiElephant

GENERALIZATIONS HOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Lol im half joking but it's true, any JP group I have been in in the DF have been very good. I think the japanese just have more hardcore players and less casuals. And the NA has far more casuals than HC.

Done 2 Titan via Duty Finder, my PLD & DRG.

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Originally Posted by Ruprect

Legacy servers don't count either. lol

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While I know you are joking. Keep in mind not everyone on a legacy server is capped jobs and gear. Hell, based on what I've seen in DF groups I'd say we have quite few people that are new account holders. We have just as many problems as other servers where you see people totally under geared for certain content.

I can't believe I'm actually saying this, but I'm actually looking forward to a gear score system that SE has hinted at implemented as a stop gate preventing people well under prepared (gear wise) from being carried through fights. Sometimes you need everyone on their A-game bringing their A-game gear. I've come across way too many groups where people are wearing gear 20+ levels below the content they are running.

I know it's a bit much to ask for, I put in a lot of effort to try to be ready for certain content to expect the same from others I am suppose to consider my comrades in battle.

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While I know you are joking. Keep in mind not everyone on a legacy server is capped jobs and gear. Hell, based on what I've seen in DF groups I'd say we have quite few people that are new account holders. We have just as many problems as other servers where you see people totally under geared for certain content.snip

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Agreed I cant wait for GS either. Gear can't help some people though and the lack of skill is a problem I am seeing far to often. I am obviously joking about JP servers and Legacy servers. The only difference is there is probably a higher proportion of geared players to non geared players on legacy servers. It is also a little easier for new players on the legacy players to gear up as well. So you proabably have a litrtle better chance of getting a DF group that can complete Titan.

There are many strategies that work on HM Titan. I have participated in parties that have beaten him with 2 Tanks/4 DPS as well as 1 Tank and 5 DPS. People are also fond of the 3x Healers 1x Tank, 4xDPS setup as well.

Good luck to you. :)

Is there anyone that is not on a legacy or JP server that has done this? Everyone so far is.

For the record, even Legacy servers are put into the DF pool with Non-Legacy servers. I have come across multiple characters that have level 50 in every class (including DoL/H) for the last week or two, which no matter how hardcore you are, isn't possible on a Non-Legacy server. Again though, the split may be different in the JP pool, but I don't think they'd have singled out Legacy and Non-Legacy servers on the NA/EU side of things.

As I mentioned in my original post, I think it might be an attitude towards the content. I've seen way too many posts on here complaining about people not taking them because they aren't even in 50% Darklight gear, and then 99% of the players I've seen in my DF HM Titan groups have either had full Darklight gear, or short 1 or 2 pieces.

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For the record, even Legacy servers are put into the DF pool with Non-Legacy servers. snip

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I forgot legacy servers are pooled in with non legacy in the DF. That makes my point on Legacy moot. Never mind.

The reason I even made this thread, was because I've tried around 18 (give or take) DF HM Titan groups, and not one of them has even killed the heart. It's as if you not only have to overcome the fight mechanics, but you also have to overcome your less-than-ideal group composition as well.

I guess all I can do is keep searching for pre-made groups, and keep queueing for the DF version. I'm praying that he'll go down eventually.

I've gotten into one group that could take down the heart but that was it, other groups have been full of trolls. :(

For a few people, yes.
For most people, no.

It's pretty much RNG with the odds stacked against you. I personally wouldn't waste my time with it.

Titan? How the hell did you guys manage to get past Garuda with DF? Every group I've had fails on clones.

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Originally Posted by Errors

One of our FC members just beat Titan HM through a Duty Finder PUG last night. So, it's doable. The question is can you do it consistently? Based on the number of times I've tried, and other FC members have tried no...not reliably with a DF pick up group.

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Thank you for saying the words *pick up group* in your message, i've been wondering for days reading the forums when people say PUG wtf they mean (at first i thought they meant pugilist), reading it and using context analysis i knew it had something to do with grouping but i just did not know what the acronym meant and didn't want to ask because so many people were using it in sentences i felt i'd be noobish to ask.

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Titan? How the hell did you guys manage to get past Garuda with DF? Every group I've had fails on clones.

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I was the add tank, that's how. All HM Garuda takes is tanks that know the fight, and the rest of the group that knows where to stand.

Well, I got Titan down. I managed find a pre-made group in need of a tank. I still don't think the DF is a good way to get Titan down.

Doubtful, am 0/77 attempts with both DF and pre-mades {last I got was quite good, but then they kept screwing up after the heart phase...le sigh}.

Seems there are always at least 1 or 2 players that are oblivious to what others are doing and no matter how many times you explain what to do, they keep doing it wrong, then blame everyone else for their mistakes.