Forcing people to exploit boss fights

Please stop it and let people play the game with the mechanics as intended. If people say no, respect it and either run the dungeon being silent or leave.

Some of us love to get a challenge, no matter how tedious it might be for your precious rushing heart.

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We have confirmed that there is an issue with the instanced battles against Dhorme Chimera and Hydra during the quest "A Relic Reborn" wherein monsters will stop moving as a result of certain player actions.

This issue is currently under investigation. If a player willfully continues to battle an immobilized monster, the player will be in violation of the user agreement. The game logs of violators will be investigated, and those who are found to be in violation may be subject to punishment, such as a character data rollback or account termination. Please do not try to take advantage of this issue.

In the event that a monster is accidentally rendered immobile, we please ask that all members of the party leave the instance before re-attempting.

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I'd like to see ppl get punished for actually exploiting Titan.
I had to work my Ass off while others just exploited him.
Not cool

This game was worth the 29.99.
But I won't be subscribing. Maybe as they update I will I don't know.

Paying a subscription to be Hacked and Spammed by Gil Sellers is bad enough, but now people are cheating the game to advance and receiving no punishment for it.

All the people who cheated TITAN didn't get rolled back or anything and now we have people exploiting Chimera and Hydra.

SE will fix the glitches, and do nothing to the people who gained from abusing it.

Theres more boting,rmt spamming, hacking, exploiting going on in this game than any other game I've ever played.

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Originally Posted by Miley

This game was worth the 29.99.
But I won't be subscribing. Maybe as they update I will I don't know.

Paying a subscription to be Hacked and Spammed by Gil Sellers is bad enough, but now people are cheating the game to advance and receiving no punishment for it.

Theres more boting,rmt spamming, hacking, exploiting going on in this game than any other game I've ever played.

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1) Obviously you don't know SE to well in respect to what happens to people who have been caught cheating, hacking and exploiting.
2) It is a lot of work to roll back those who have been found to have been exploiting and with all the work being done on the duty finder atm, it is not the main focus, though I do expect more to face the fate of some I already know.
3) Obviously you have not played that many other MMO's

Isn't it rewarding knowledge that the people who exploited in some way still is grinding things several hours each day to get banned/rolled back later?

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Originally Posted by UrbanLucrece

Isn't it rewarding knowledge that the people who exploited in some way still is grinding things several hours each day to get banned/rolled back later?

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I have to admit it would be funny to see them do these rollbacks in a couple of months. :D

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Originally Posted by ak47

1) Obviously you don't know SE to well in respect to what happens to people who have been caught cheating, hacking and exploiting.
2) It is a lot of work to roll back those who have been found to have been exploiting and with all the work being done on the duty finder atm, it is not the main focus, though I do expect more to face the fate of some I already know.
3) Obviously you have not played that many other MMO's

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Obviously you don't know what you're talking about, I've played EQ,EQ2,EQOA,WOW,GW,DCUO.FFXI, and have high end raid characters on all of them.
It's you that seems to have not played many MMO's. Not one of the MMOS I named above have the amount RMT SPAM,HACKING and Botting going on with the exception of FFXI. If you claim other wise you're full of it.

OP, which bosses are you talking about? I'm genuinely curious, not because I doubt you. I've only seen this happen in AK, and it was only once and was some inane ridiculous, unneeded thing that I don't think many groups knew about (and something I've already reported).

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Miley, I'm pretty sure he's referring to the Salvage bans. You know, that massive ban set that completely demolished some endgame linkshells?

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Originally Posted by ak47

2) It is a lot of work to roll back those who have been found to have been exploiting and with all the work being done on the duty finder atm, it is not the main focus, though I do expect more to face the fate of some I already know.

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If it is too much work to roll them back, ban them. Time and work saved. Lesson learned for the exploiters too :)

I hope this doesn't turn into some sort of witch hunt where people with relic weapons lose their characters.

Believe it or not, some people got their relics without cheating.

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Originally Posted by CyrilLucifer

OP, which bosses are you talking about? I'm genuinely curious, not because I doubt you. I've only seen this happen in AK, and it was only once and was some inane ridiculous, unneeded thing that I don't think many groups knew about (and something I've already reported).

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Miley, I'm pretty sure he's referring to the Salvage bans. You know, that massive ban set that completely demolished some endgame linkshells?

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Even then half of the people who did this only got suspended for a few days not rolled back.

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Originally Posted by Giyari

I hope this doesn't turn into some sort of witch hunt where people with relic weapons lose their characters.

Believe it or not, some people got their relics without cheating.

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They said they would be using Game Logs to determine the cheaters. If you didn't exploit, you will be fine, no worries. :)

SE will have the logs of the fights and they are able to check which groups got their wins with exploits and which didn't. It won't be a "witch hunt" as they will have clear evidence and will know.

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Forcing people to exploit boss fights

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I agree with you that you shouldn't exploit a boss.. Well, unless it's completely unbeatable without it. ;)

But I have to ask how anyone can force someone to exploit?

Its not only Dhorme Chimera and Hydra though. Several boss exploits in AK. Qarn is littered with them, Stone vigil has 2 that I know of.

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Originally Posted by Amberion

I agree with you that you shouldn't exploit a boss.. Well, unless it's completely unbeatable without it. ;)

But I have to ask how anyone can force someone to exploit?

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They can stop doing damage, they can stand in AOE, the healer can stop healing and the tank can just leave.

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Originally Posted by Miley

Obviously you don't know what you're talking about, I've played EQ,EQ2,EQOA,WOW,GW,DCUO.FFXI, and have high end raid characters on all of them.
It's you that seems to have not played many MMO's. Not one of the MMOS I named above have the amount RMT SPAM,HACKING and Botting going on with the exception of FFXI. If you claim other wise you're full of it.

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Uh you said you played WoW but never saw this much spam ? I get like 6 emails a week telling me my WoW/diablo 3 character is being banned and a link for them to steal my account info and I don't even play diablo 3. And as for spam did you never see the 50 character /sleep that spelled out gold sellers Websites in the city ? Not saying this is not a problem but it's just as bad in other MMOs that are not pay2win because the opportunity is there for them because you can't just buy gold/Gil from the cash shop. As for bottling again WoW ran rampant with it with level bots gather bots heal bots and the like so... Yeah don't really think you have played as many games as you say you have.

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Originally Posted by Yurimi

Uh you said you played WoW but never saw this much spam ? I get like 6 emails a week telling me my WoW/diablo 3 character is being banned and a link for them to steal my account info and I don't even play diablo 3. And as for spam did you never see the 50 character /sleep that spelled out gold sellers Websites in the city ? Not saying this is not a problem but it's just as bad in other MMOs that are not pay2win because the opportunity is there for them because you can't just buy gold/Gil from the cash shop.

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That stuff isn't in-game. From my personal experience with several MMOs as well, this is by far the worst RMT spam. I have never had to black list names just for the sake of being able to read the chat log.

i reported these chimera/hydra exploits almost 2 weeks ago and they are just now issuing a response to these exploits.... really?

i wonder if SE knows that mages can stand on tree branches during the first boss in AK and not get hit by any attacks? even if they are being targeted.

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Originally Posted by KiriA500

That stuff isn't in-game. From my personal experience with several MMOs as well, this is by far the worst RMT spam. I have never had to black list names just for the sake of being able to read the chat log.

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Oh but it was in game. Again like I said they would line 50 characters up and all have them /sleep so their website name would be readable. The whispers were about as frequent at least on my server with about 2-3 an hour as for shout spam I would see them in trade chat here and there but I usually had it turned off (much like I have shouts off in this game) but they were definitely there. Also this is a new game that is highly anticipated I somewhat expected this (not saying its ok but just expected) for the first bit since all the new players will go zomg need Gil's where's moms credit card.

I'd like to know what kind of player plays a game just to do fights and use exploits to make it easy. Isn't that boring and lame? It is to me. If we die and wipe a few times it makes it fun. Making fights easy by avoiding damage taken or anything else is SILLY and BORING and any true gamer should see that.

Last night I did my first runs of the 8 man story dungeons and they were the most boring thing I've done on game so far due to skipping half the content and players starting fights without me while I wanted to enjoy the CS. Talk about ruining the mood/immersion of the story....

I remember Susan express sales people/bots being really friendly in game. The would chat me up when I'm lonely and ask if I would like to like purchase some gold. Ah.. . Good times

Edit: damn autocorrect on phones

A polite /bump for the morning crowd. They are checking Game Logs, checking them twice, they are going to find out who was naughty and who was nice.

They need to really bring the hammer down on exploiters. So far they haven't so exploiters are just going to keep doing it until there is a ban wave to set a precedent. They have been pretty lenient on exploits so far. Real ones like the obvious Titan exploit.

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Originally Posted by Hikozaemon

i reported these chimera/hydra exploits almost 2 weeks ago and they are just now issuing a response to these exploits.... really?

i wonder if SE knows that mages can stand on tree branches during the first boss in AK and not get hit by any attacks? even if they are being targeted.

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Your issue, like many other people who play MMORPGs, assumes a company should issue a statement the very second you make a report - life doesn't work that way. Not even Blizzard issues responses THE VERY INSTANT it gets issued after everything is checked and determined.

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Originally Posted by Vaer

They need to really bring the hammer down on exploiters. So far they haven't so exploiters are just going to keep doing it until there is a ban wave to set a precedent. They have been pretty lenient on exploits so far. Real ones like the obvious Titan exploit.

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This - They need to straight up ban everyone who exploited any fights or instance, period. The only people who would argue against a ban are ones who exploited or planned to, no one in their right mind would argue against punishing people who pretty much cheat their way to victory, kinda like back in 1.0 how BG pos hacked out of the Ifrit Extreme arena so they can't be damaged at certain points.

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Originally Posted by KiriA500

That stuff isn't in-game. From my personal experience with several MMOs as well, this is by far the worst RMT spam. I have never had to black list names just for the sake of being able to read the chat log.

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Only one other game I can think of that has this much, and you can block very easily and it is usually contained to a general area.. Jita solar system, in Eve online

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Originally Posted by Miley

Theres more boting,rmt spamming, hacking, exploiting going on in this game than any other game I've ever played.

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You clearly never played Aion or DC Universe Online in the first year then, or any MMO really. Early in MMO's lives these are common problems, and by far not the worst I've seen.

Edit: I read you're list of MMOs. You're clearly delusional or just have narrow vision if you didn't see those issues. Or just didn't play them at launch. Because they were a huge issue.

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Originally Posted by Miley

Both games you listed are FREE 2 PLAY. So you FAIL and played DCUO since closed beta, while it did have exploits it didnt have RMT SPAM and Botting buddy.

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NEITHER was F2P at launch, and I played DCUO since closed beta as well, and there were NUMEROUS exploits(several of which were not even fixed by launch). And you listed multiple issues so i listed multiple MMOs that have one or more of those issues. I see you didn't bring up Aion(which i also played since closed beta) in your 'brilliant' reply...because it had all of those issues and much worse than it is here.

am i the only one who thinks SE is way to damn slow with fixing these exploits? Im not even sure what they are but if as some of you are saying they been there for weeks!!! weeks?.. How can SE punish people for finding workaround when they lack the ability to stop it in a timely manner. If they just fixed it when it showed up only a handful of players would be in hot water.. but now idk how many .

The more players they ban the less money they get the less money they get the less content the good and loyal players get.. >.< my head hurts with this lack of respond speed.

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Originally Posted by Riko_113

You clearly never played Aion or DC Universe Online in the first year then, or any MMO really. Early in MMO's lives these are common problems, and by far not the worst I've seen.

Edit: I read you're list of MMOs. You're clearly delusional or just have narrow vision if you didn't see those issues. Or just didn't play them at launch. Because they were a huge issue.

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Both games you listed are FREE 2 PLAY. So you FAIL and played DCUO since closed beta, while it did have exploits it didnt have RMT SPAM and Botting buddy.

All the people using exploits and thinking it's OK are the guys who used Game Genie, Gameshark, etc. back in the day.

Have probably never beaten an RPG or any other game legit, lol. Infinite HP/MP level 99 one battle! Gogo!

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Originally Posted by Miley

Both games you listed are FREE 2 PLAY. So you FAIL and played DCUO since closed beta, while it did have exploits it didnt have RMT SPAM and Botting buddy.

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Aion wasnt FTP when it launched, and it was CRAZY with RMT. I didn't last long with that game, but the RMT spam i remember very clearly.

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Originally Posted by Miley

Obviously you don't know what you're talking about, I've played EQ,EQ2,EQOA,WOW,GW,DCUO.FFXI, and have high end raid characters on all of them.
It's you that seems to have not played many MMO's. Not one of the MMOS I named above have the amount RMT SPAM,HACKING and Botting going on with the exception of FFXI. If you claim other wise you're full of it.

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That is so cute that you believe WoW had less spam/botting/hacking/exploits. Granted, it's not as bad NOW. However, it's been how many years?

Let me make this easier for you:

http://www.ownedcore.com/forums/worl...raft-exploits/

Please look forward to it! Oh, and if you can correctly guess the % of these people get rolled back you win a lollipop.

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Originally Posted by Miley

Exploiters going unpunished.

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I recall SE banning alot of accounts in FFXI who exploited Salvage(I think?) And those were people who put years worth of effort into their characters. I wonder why they're being so lenient now.

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Originally Posted by Acyd

Aion wasnt FTP when it launched, and it was CRAZY with RMT. I didn't last long with that game, but the RMT spam i remember very clearly.

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That was the absolute worst I've ever seen. Literally 3/4's of the people you tried talking to in the open world were bots. It was awful. Thankfully it's nowhere near that bad here. Besides shouts, I'll very rarely see them.