So instant skills are not going off instantly - working as intended (why this then?)

If SE says instant skills can't go off on animation cooldowns and that is intended - fine.

Why require them to actually go off instantly in boss mechanics like this one then?
video: http://youtu.be/40a_cnDQKeE
Do they want to force players standing and auto attacking so they can interrupt when needed? Because I know some people do that on chimera with paladins.

I don't know why it's difficult to just have animations override themselves. Hit ability A, then hit ability B - interrupt animation for A, and show B.

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Originally Posted by Althea

I don't know why it's difficult to just have animations override themselves. Hit ability A, then hit ability B - interrupt animation for A, and show B.

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I completely agree with you, but SE already stated that they intend this mechanic, so at this point my concern ir why boss mechanics require an incompatible, with combat mechanics?

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Originally Posted by complexxL9

I completely agree with you, but SE already stated that they intend this mechanic, so at this point my concern ir why boss mechanics require an incompatible, with combat mechanics?

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If they want to allow animation lock... GIVE US BACK INERTIAL MOVEMENT AND 1.0 ANIMATIONS!!!!!!!!
i learned to deal with them and not get animation locked at important times during fights in 1.0, we all can in 2.0, so give us back our neat stuff

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Originally Posted by Huginn

If they want to allow animation lock... GIVE US BACK INERTIAL MOVEMENT AND 1.0 ANIMATIONS!!!!!!!!
i learned to deal with them and not get animation locked at important times during fights in 1.0, we all can in 2.0, so give us back our neat stuff

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cha cha.. this is going into opposite direction then I anticipated ^^

The game requires you to be smart with your abilities. Chimera does not chain cast the voices so you have plenty of time to do your animation locking skills immediately following and not have this issue. Not every fight is a dps race...If you know an ability will lock you in an animation, don't use it if there is a chance you will need to react.

I play as a dragoon, and I have to time all jump abilities to make sure I don't miss a stun or get caught in an AoE. I don't think there is anything wrong with making me think on my toes and not just mash buttons on a keyboard..

I understand this. I asked in free company why I would want to use Bloodletter over Heavy Shot. Became a big thing with a raider in the FC deciding to be a jerk and getting blacklisted. I asked why. All said instant and not on GCD. The problem is that this instant spell animation is as long as GCD. At least when I use. So I ignored them and moved the ability away from use. I don't understand this as some abilities it seems like I can interrupt and there are others that I can not. I would enjoy at least having an ability that broke current animation to allow a different ability to be used even if it had a 30 second cooldown. Could at least make a macro then for what ability you normally would need instantly.

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Originally Posted by Synvul

I understand this. I asked in free company why I would want to use Bloodletter over Heavy Shot. ... The problem is that this instant spell animation is as long as GCD. At least when I use. ....

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not sure how you say bloodletter animation is length of GCD, i use heavy > bloodletter and still have a short wait on GCD to use next skill.

on the topic, i'm swinging a hammer and mid swing i instantly stop and start swinging in another direction for another skill makes no sense. immersion = cant do 2 vastly different things that require the same item at once, just like RL. Nothing I have seen in FFXIV has any dps race where you also need to stun, so get over the faceroll DPS zerg mentality and learn some other strategies!

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Originally Posted by KogaDrake

not sure how you say bloodletter animation is length of GCD, i use heavy > bloodletter and still have a short wait on GCD to use next skill.

on the topic, i'm swinging a hammer and mid swing i instantly stop and start swinging in another direction for another skill makes no sense. immersion = cant do 2 vastly different things that require the same item at once, just like RL. Nothing I have seen in FFXIV has any dps race where you also need to stun, so get over the faceroll DPS zerg mentality and learn some other strategies!

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Immersion is nothing compared to gameplay in an mmorpg. You can't immerse yourself to pay monthly fee for a crappy experience.

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Originally Posted by Synvul

I understand this. I asked in free company why I would want to use Bloodletter over Heavy Shot. Became a big thing with a raider in the FC deciding to be a jerk and getting blacklisted. I asked why. All said instant and not on GCD. The problem is that this instant spell animation is as long as GCD. At least when I use. So I ignored them and moved the ability away from use. I don't understand this as some abilities it seems like I can interrupt and there are others that I can not. I would enjoy at least having an ability that broke current animation to allow a different ability to be used even if it had a 30 second cooldown. Could at least make a macro then for what ability you normally would need instantly.

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Do you really think they intend people to not use abilities in anticipation of cast that might be required to interrupt? I don't think so, and if it would be true I would be simply amazed about how this bad of the encounter design is allowed.. the more I think about it, it's probably SE just having a low standards at least from the western mmorpg player perspective.

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Originally Posted by KogaDrake

not sure how you say bloodletter animation is length of GCD, i use heavy > bloodletter and still have a short wait on GCD to use next skill.

on the topic, i'm swinging a hammer and mid swing i instantly stop and start swinging in another direction for another skill makes no sense. immersion = cant do 2 vastly different things that require the same item at once, just like RL. Nothing I have seen in FFXIV has any dps race where you also need to stun, so get over the faceroll DPS zerg mentality and learn some other strategies!

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wheres the strategy in not knowing when you can use your next ability due to animation lock, every animation has a different length, half the time you either have to mash a button til it works or hit it and realise a few seconds later that it failed to go off, the point is the terminology, if something is instant, then its instant not instant and wait 0.random til it goes off and locked out of any other ability while you wait.

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Originally Posted by Synvul

I understand this. I asked in free company why I would want to use Bloodletter over Heavy Shot. -snip-

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Use Bloodletter right near/at the end of the GCD, then use a GCD ability immediately afterwards. The GCD ability will cancel the rest of the Bloodletter animation. It's most obvious if you combine Bloodletter and Windbite because Windbite's animation is so much different from the rest of the stand-and-shoot abilities. If you wait too long or hit Bloodletter too early, the animation won't cancel. Try practicing on one of the striking dummies. You'll need to get used to it, especially when Bloodletter is constantly resetting on DoT crits.

It just seems like lazy programming tbh. Rift is now a F2P game and they still manage to make all the OFF THE GCD abilities fire OFF THE GCD.

This is all a small problem now since pvp doesn't exist but once it's added this will become a nightmare if not fixed. There's no skill involved in sitting around twiddling your thumbs until a spell is cast. To keep the analogy going, it's much harder to maintain an optimal dps rotation, while purging buffs, while monitoring 10+ ability cooldowns, while monitoring your positioning to ensure enemy dps can't hit you while being in range of friendly healers, while surveying the field to pick out healers to target and interrupt+silence mid GCD (1.0 sec for most dps, 1.5 at the absolute maximum), than to auto attack something waiting 10+ seconds to interrupt one heal and resume dps.

I LOVE all the pvp based changes that WoW and other games like Rift

Implemented to ensure a high skill cap for each role.

This is all fine for now but if SE ever hopes to have even marginally successful PVP they must revert these decisions. It's insulting enough to have a 2.5s GCD but not allowing "off the GCD" to fire when you hit them is a slap in the face. It's basically saying, none of you useless plebians can handle hitting more than 1-2 buttons every 3 sec so here's a system that will make you feel capable in spite of your poorly wired nervous systems.

Whole game is plagued by a very annoying delay on almost everything you do. Quite annoying.

I apologize as usual for multi-posting due to the 1000 character limit. I keep forgetting this is twitter 2.0 for no apparent reason.


And yes, I fully understand that the decision to keep non GCD skills from firing until animations end was not entirely due to poor programming. I'm just using this forum as an outlet to vent my frustrations. As far as I can tell this is the reason for video game forums existing. Nobody searches for a forum to say that they are moderately satisfied with all aspects of a product. They post because they intend to keep playing the game and wish to improve their own experience.

I'm sure any SE programmers reading this know vastly more C, C++, Perl, Python, C# and countless other languages far better than I do (with the exception of maybe FORTAN, don't ask) so don't take it personally.

I am a little confused... are people complaining that their instance skills are not going off? or they are complaining that their instant skills, which went off instantly, are preventing the use of another skill for a few seconds?

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Originally Posted by JamesX

I am a little confused... are people complaining that their instance skills are not going off? or they are complaining that their instant skills, which went off instantly, are preventing the use of another skill for a few seconds?

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The complaint is that currently any skill listed as 'off the gcd' will NOT fire when used off the GCD until your current attack animation ends.

This often results in having to hit a supposedly instant, off the GCD ability, 5+ times before it actually fires. From what I understand this was intentional but it seems like an arbitrary and unnecessary restriction.

I don't mind animation locks. I don't mind GCDs. But when you combine the two, it makes for a very awkward playstyle that really draws away from the experience.

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Originally Posted by Laeore

I don't mind animation locks. I don't mind GCDs. But when you combine the two, it makes for a very awkward playstyle that really draws away from the experience.

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Yea either make the whole thing animation based or GCD based. attempting both is retarded.

Odd. I've noticed the animations on my Archer. The bloodletter not going off right after a GDC was noticed. Instead of trying to force it to work that way I looked through my skills.

The Lancer Fient skill uses a normal auto attack animation. The 20% slowdown for 10s isn't shabby either. I found out by using bloodletter and then tapping fient both go off in a quickfire succession. Doubleshot anyone? =D

Completely agree. Off GCD skills plus animation lock has resulted in a very disjointed game play experience. It just does not feel fun or rewarding.

BRD doesnt use bloodletter.

Come on.

I've never encountered this issue. Maybe I should mash buttons more.

Also, my bloodletter and spirits within both overwrite my gcd attack animations mostly. Not sure why you guys are having it not do that.

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Originally Posted by JamesX

I am a little confused... are people complaining that their instance skills are not going off? or they are complaining that their instant skills, which went off instantly, are preventing the use of another skill for a few seconds?

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Both are true, neither instant skills are going off instantly after using another ability, nor anything else is going off instantly after using instant off gcd ability, there is awlays animation cooldown (maybe except some few abilities I don't know about).
However complaint of this particular thread is about "instants can't be used instantly, but boss mechanics require them to be used in that way". What the OP video demonstrates is that some boss spells require to be interrupted in such a small window in which it is impossible to activate interrupt skill due to how combat mechanics work.

It's like encounter designers are not in agreement with combat mechanics designers.