Hard Mode Primal reward ideal

While on another post I was thinking about the Primal fight.

So far the rewards are 1 random weapon and a small amount of Philosophy and Mythology tomes. Why not provide something a but more unique while still keeping the current rewards.

Primal Hard Mode can

- Provide 1 Primal Specific Token by default to all members of the group (dead and alive) for defeating the HM Primal. EVERYONE will get 1 for defeating the HM Primal.

- Defeating the HM Primal will still provide the 1 random Primal Specific Weapon from the chest. However, the chances from a specific weapon will increase as new class and Jos are introduced due to SE's plans for future class and Jobs. (Current weapon drop chance is a 1 out of 9 but introduction to new jobs and classes in the future we are looking at the drop chance changing into 1 out of 18 chance in the future due to introduction of 2nd jobs to the current classes that don't have them yet and musketeer introductions). Tome rewards are still the same or may be increase if SE feels like it.

- There will be other special items you can get by trading the Primal Tokens. For example, you can trade in the Ifrit tokens for Ifrit Job Specific weapon (if you're still having horrible luck after countless tires), Unique Job specific Ifrit Armor set, Ifrit Mini-pet, or special items for crafting Primal Unique items.

(I just call them tokens since I don't know what SE will call them.)

I don't know why the high level dungeons dont drop tokens now, If you spend enough time running Ifrit and never get a weapon at least let us buy the weapon with tokens. It might make people run them more often to collect tokens for alts too, make Titan weapons a little more usefull.

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Originally Posted by PyrielDD

I don't know why the high level dungeons dont drop tokens now, If you spend enough time running Ifrit and never get a weapon at least let us buy the weapon with tokens. It might make people run them more often to collect tokens for alts too, make Titan weapons a little more usefull.

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Well this just came up when seeing the issue with Primal weapon Drop chance only getting worse as new classes and Job becoming released in the future. There is also the issue of no incentive into going back to the Primal Fights other than Primal Weapon and Relic quest.

Introduction some kind of token system to provide more than just Primal weapons for people who have horrible luck such as unique Primal Armor sets may bring people back into HM Primal for the look or stats. Other stuff are Mini- Primal pets for collectors who collect Mini-pets, and Unique Primal Craft items for crafting unique things for crafters. There needs to be more reason to go back to HM Primals other than making people pull their hair out fora 1 out of 9 chance for their weapons and one time experience for Relic.

The reason I won't bother with Primals after the first defeat/relic is because of this.

They need to buff myth tomes so less people are spamming AK all the time.

So am I hearing this correctly...when your party fights HM Primals it only drops 1 weapon for the 8 players? So you could fight and beat it 8 times and still not get a weapon?? If you have two from the same job then you have an even worse chance. Oh boy...how many tries is it on average taking people to get the weapons???

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Originally Posted by Mikedizzy

So am I hearing this correctly...when your party fights HM Primals it only drops 1 weapon for the 8 players? So you could fight and beat it 8 times and still not get a weapon?? If you have two from the same job then you have an even worse chance. Oh boy...how many tries is it on average taking people to get the weapons???

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You're seeing the drop chance calculation the wrong way.

You're seen it as that a weapon drops for 8 people but it is based on dropping for 9 Jobs.

Assuming the Weapon is dropped for 8 people is like assuming that the drop weapon is based on what Job the 8 people are playing.

It is not how the drop chance works since the drop chance is based on the amount of Jobs are currently in the game. We're not talking about a 1 out of 8 chance for weapons but a 1 out of 9 chance times the amount of people who play the same Job and future drop chance is decreased as new classes and Jobs are introduced.

By roles currently we have a minimum average of

Tank - 1 to 18 attempts minumum (2 Tank Jobs currently)

DD - 1 to 54 attempts minimum (6 DD Jobs currently)

Healer - 1 to 18 attempts minumum (2 Healers Jobs currently)

Maximum is unknown since people can still run over 60 times or higher and still not get it.

I couldn't agree more with this thread, having an incentive other than "It might drop" would really make HM primals 100% more enjoyable because right now giving 100% effort for 0% gain over and over is really disheartening, being road blocked because of drop rates is a kick to the mouth especially when you've ran the primal 70+ times, I spent 6 days straight farming Ifirit and by the time the harpoon dropped I wasn't even excited I was just happy I could move on.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

You're seeing the drop chance calculation the wrong way.

You're seeing it as that a weapon drops for 8 people but it is based on dropping for 9 Jobs. .

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So even if you have 8 different jobs in the fight it could drop a weapon for a job that is not in the fight? That just sucks...what a pain in the butt. Do that hard fight and it drops the damn weapon that nobody needs. Guess you have to covet that weapon when you get it and enjoy all the hard work. Where are these people again that say this game is not "Hard Core" enough for them...some of this end game stuff is just getting rediculous.
On the other hand the Primal could "in theory" keep dropping the Tank weapon or the Black mage staff over and over...patience will have to kick in. The one good thing is you will be MASTER of that fight by then and can take other FC members through that need help.

I would really love to see numbers on the average numbers of times someone has to do that fight in order to get their weapn. I know everyone is going to be running with their FC groups so you are going to be running it at least 8 times if you get supremely lucky and if not who knows how many times...and then do that for each primal...game is not going to run out of content any time soon...there is way too much stuff to do...I LOVE IT!!!!!! Although I will not be saying that when I am going through it...I will be swearing in my mind and gripping that controller.

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Originally Posted by Mikedizzy

So even if you have 8 different jobs in the fight it could drop a weapon for a job that is not in the fight? That just sucks...what a pain in the butt. Do that hard fight and it drops the damn weapon that nobody needs. Guess you have to covet that weapon when you get it and enjoy all the hard work. Where are these people again that say this game is not "Hard Core" enough for them...some of this end game stuff is just getting rediculous.
On the other hand the Primal could "in theory" keep dropping the Tank weapon or the Black mage staff over and over...patience will have to kick in. The one good thing is you will be MASTER of that fight by then and can take other FC members through that need help.

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Master or not the chances of the weapon you want dropping will become harder as the game becomes older and introduce more classes and Jobs. Drop rate now is light since the game is currently limited only 9 Jobs but once they start adding the others, like the 2nd Jobs for current classes that don't have 2nd job yet and new classes with their own 2 Jobs, we are facing a much larger low chance of drop.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

Master or not the chances of the weapon you want dropping will become harder as the game becomes older and introduce more classes and Jobs. Drop rate now is light since the game is currently limited only 9 Jobs.

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Guess I better get it done before they add all that then. LOL

This is pretty much how Garuda worked in 1.0 (well, the other primals also dropped tokens, but Garuda's were 100%)... but guess what? That made way too much sense! Scrap it!

Chances are the drops for new jobs will probably be in new primal instances. E.g. Shiva or something

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Originally Posted by JamesX

Chances are the drops for new jobs will probably be in new primal instances. E.g. Shiva or something

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that been a a bit too hopeful don't you think.

Introduction new class/Job and not provide them Ifrit, Garuda, and titan gear but giving all the old class/job the new gears from the new primal fights.

Also, if they only give new class/job gear to new primal fights and not provide the old class/job new gear from new primal fights then there will be no incentive for those classes/jobs to play those New Primals since they can't need on gears they want.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

Master or not the chances of the weapon you want dropping will become harder as the game becomes older and introduce more classes and Jobs. Drop rate now is light since the game is currently limited only 9 Jobs but once they start adding the others, like the 2nd Jobs for current classes that don't have 2nd job yet and new classes with their own 2 Jobs, we are facing a much larger low chance of drop.

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This is why they need to alter the loot list based on the jobs/classes in the party, it makes it less random and gives people chance of getting what they want.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

This is why they need to alter the loot list based on the jobs/classes in the party, it makes it less random and gives people chance of getting what they want.

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or add a second method to get Primal weapons that is a bit lighter for people while still keeping the current method as I suggested here.

Most people who don't support a 2nd method to obtain a Primal Weapon haven't considered how the Drop rate will only continue to decrease as new classes and Jobs are introduced into the game.

Also provide more than just Primal weapon and 1 time victory for relic. There needs to be more rewards for these HM Primal fight that will bring others back such Unique Primal Armor set is one way for people who want Unique Primal Themed Gear set, Mini-pet for people who enjoy collecting Mini-pets, and special craft items for people who craft things for primal themed craft items.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

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I agree. There was another thread suggesting much the same thing.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...d-Token-System
but look how people responded.

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Originally Posted by Laume

I agree. There was another thread suggesting much the same thing.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...d-Token-System
but look how people responded.

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Ya that was how my ideal originated when I saw that thread.

I believe the only reason people reacted negatively to the thread was because it was vaguer in detail about the creator of the thread was actually suggesting.

People can interpret it as a thread requesting for SE to bring back the token system from 1.0 and replace the current system easily which is why they reacted negatively.

The current system is semifine now because we only have 9 Jobs in the game and with only 1 weapon per fight there is a 1 out of 9 chance to obtain a Primal weapon for the Job a person is playing if there are no other player playing the same Job. Current system is good for the short run but in long run the current drop system for Primal Weapons will backfire with introduction of new Jobs and Classes being the cause of decreasing the chances of getting a specific Primal Weapon because the Primals will also drop weapons for the new classes/Jobs.

I've given up trying to get a Primal sword for my Paladin. Have beaten Ifrit dozens upon dozens of times and the sword never drops when the 2nd tank is a WAR, but every time there is another PLD, the sword drops and they win the roll.

Well scratch that, just logged in first time all week, immediately got a PT for HM garuda {never beat her yet, due to incompetent PTs} and holy crap we beat the snot out of her first try. Holy crap again, the GLD arm "Garuda's Gaze" dropped too! And holy crap thrice, I won the roll against another PLD! We then went on to farm her another 6 times and won each time, oh man did that perk my week up nicely! {Still need a token system though}

Its ridiculous....we need a damned token system!

And yes raise the amount of stones we get from primals and make it possible to get some from all dungeons after you get one class to 50. That way while you're leveling another class you can be working toward earning more lvl 50 gear and don't have the to run the same 3 instances hundred of time yet again and again and again...le sigh~! {Or just have more than 3 fricken dungeons to choose from!}

Ya the current system can still be a pain for people, even the ones who are very unlucky since I've seen some people who have runned Ifrit Hard Mode over 34 times already and still haven't gotten their weapon.

The fact that the drop rate will become even worse as new Jobs and classes are introduced is why there needs to be a 2nd method to obtain these weapons.

Also the incentive to come back once people obtain their Weapon and Relic quest also needs to be established as well.

Primal Themed Gear set can be used for people who are looking for another method for gears other than Philosophy Tomes for Darklight or for Vanity use if they don't like the stat bonuses and want the look.

It would be even better if the Primal Themed Gears are actually Primal Themed AF gears. Can you imagine a Ifrit Version of Dragoon AF gear, Ifrit Version of Warrior AF, Garuda version of Bard AF, and Titan Version of Paladin AF?

Of course there will be Ifrit, Garuda, Titan, and future Primal themed AF gear for all Jobs. Of course Summoners will have a field day with these Primal themed AF sets so they can have the look to match their favorite Summon. They may even make the Ramuh Summoner set the Dark Summoner's armor set considering the color theme of Ramuh.

Still it would be hard for me to choose between a Ifrit Dragoon AF set or a Titan Dragoon AF set.