Off Topic Forum

I think they need to add one. It'll save themselves a lot of headaches in the future.

Why would they want to host off-topic material on an ffxiv related discussion forum?

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Originally Posted by Nayt

Why would they want to host off-topic material on an ffxiv related discussion forum?

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To make their jobs easier?

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Originally Posted by Nayt

Why would they want to host off-topic material on an ffxiv related discussion forum?

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Because its a forum for people to talk amongst each other o_o

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Originally Posted by Xzen

To make their jobs easier?

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Because a few people want to make Osama Bin Laden threads?

it has not been a problem since march 8, why would it become important at any point? If some people start constantly making off-topic posts, they will get closed / deleted and it will stop like it has been since the beginning.

(I'm not stalking you, I swear it lol)

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Originally Posted by Greencactaur

Because its a forum for people to talk amongst each other o_o

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There are fan forums for this kind of stuff.

(Also, it wouldn't make things any easier, as off topic posts have even more chances to devolve into all kinds of crap and therefore would be even harder / require more work to moderate. )

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Originally Posted by AdvancedWind

Because a few people want to make Osama Bin Laden threads?

it has not been a problem since march 8, why would it become important at any point? If some people start constantly making off-topic posts, they will get closed / deleted and it will stop like it has been since the beginning.

(I'm not stalking you, I swear it lol)

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Yet here we are the next day dealing with more off topic threads that could all be taking place in an off topic forum where the mods could just let the run instead of having to delete and close and send emails and temp ban people. This isn't going to be the last time this situation comes up.

I don't think it's a good idea. It's one thing when an unofficial fansite does it to keep their boards flourishing, and another when it's hosted by the official company. Also, they'd be making their jobs less easy.

For instance, I noticed today there were a couple of locked threads about bin laden. Why would SE want to bring political opinions on their official Final Fantasy XIV forums?

Edit: Silly speed-posters :p

It's a forum for people to discuss FFXIV related information and ideas amongst one another. It was also made so we could discuss FFXIV related ideas and information with SE and help shape the game. That is why it is called the FFXIV Official Forums, not the FFXIV and Off Topic Official Forums.

If you wanna talk about Off Topic stuff there is Zam, Core and like a hundred other FFXIV forums that allow off topic.

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Originally Posted by AdvancedWind

(Also, it wouldn't make things any easier, as off topic posts have even more chances to devolve into all kinds of crap and therefore would be even harder / require more work to moderate. )

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So the trolls will go to off topic and let the rest of us have good discussions on actual game mechanics? You just sold it for me.

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Originally Posted by Sonic_the_Hedgehog

There are fan forums for this kind of stuff.

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O.O... ITS A FORUM FOR PEOPLE TO TALK.... Its not hard to add another topic its just a few clicks and typing in Off topic. Its extremely easy. -.-... Anyone who tries to defend not having an off topic section is seriously...

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Originally Posted by Nayt

I don't think it's a good idea. It's one thing when an unofficial fansite does it to keep their boards flourishing, and another when it's hosted by the official company. Also, they'd be making their jobs less easy.

For instance, I noticed today there were a couple of locked threads about bin laden. Why would SE want to bring political opinions on their official Final Fantasy XIV forums?

Edit: Silly speed-posters :p

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Those threads are locked because they are not FFXIV related. If they were in off topic they could just be left to themselves.

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Originally Posted by Sonic_the_Hedgehog

Then stop talking troll.

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I'm not trolling. I really do think an Off Topic Forum would really be an improvement to the forums.

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Originally Posted by Greencactaur

O.O... ITS A FORUM FOR PEOPLE TO TALK.... Its not hard to add another topic its just a few clicks and typing in Off topic. Its extremely easy. -.-... Anyone who tries to defend not having an off topic section is seriously...

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Yeah, if you want to talk about off topic things, then go to a fan forum. I come here to talk about FFXIV, CNN to talk about the news, and Engadget to about technology. So you can open up another tab to another site if you want to talk about things other than FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by Sonic_the_Hedgehog

Yeah, if you want to talk about off topic things, then go to a fan forum. I come here to talk about FFXIV, CNN to talk about the news, and Engadget to about technology. So you can open up another tab to another site if you want to talk about things other than FFXIV.

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It's never going to happen. That's why an off topic would resolve the problem.

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Originally Posted by Greencactaur

O.O... ITS A FORUM FOR PEOPLE TO TALK.... Its not hard to add another topic its just a few clicks and typing in Off topic. Its extremely easy. -.-... Anyone who tries to defend not having an off topic section is seriously...

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Seriously what? Seriously wanting to focus on FFXIV and fix the game so it can be better than it is instead of talking about stuff that can be talked about on almost every other forum that exists on the internet?

Sorry that I use this forum for what it is supposed to be used for, focusing on building the FFXIV community and game as a whole.

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Originally Posted by Xzen

It's never going to happen. That's why an off topic would resolve the problem.

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/f...ral-Discussion

I just refreshed. ALL threads are on topic. This is true 99% of the time. The other 1% is quickly removed. Your point?

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Originally Posted by Xzen

It's never going to happen. That's why an off topic would resolve the problem.

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I think it would create more problems, because in an off topic board, most people think they should post whatever they want and that's gonna lead to offending someone. Seriously, how often do people make an off topic thread in the General Discussion boards? Not that often.

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Originally Posted by Sonic_the_Hedgehog

I think it would create more problems, because in an off topic board, most people think they should post whatever they want and that's gonna lead to offending someone. Seriously, how often do people make an off topic thread in the General Discussion boards? Not that often.

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@ AdvancedWind A bunch of people have. You don't see them because the mods have to delete them. They don't even post in them.

We have all of our threads now that are 80% people attacking and offending each other. It doesn't sound much different.

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Originally Posted by Xzen

We have all of our threads now that are 80% people attacking and offending each other. It doesn't sound much different.

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Yeah, but we're usually talking about the game.

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Originally Posted by Sonic_the_Hedgehog

Yeah, but we're usually talking about the game.

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I've seen plenty of harmless off topic threads locked and deleted. That's more work than it has to be.

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Originally Posted by Xzen

@ AdvancedWind A bunch of people have. You don't see them because the mods have to delete them. They don't even post in them.

We have all of our threads now that are 80% people attacking and offending each other. It doesn't sound much different.

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At least they're offending each other because of FFXIV and not because of last week's sport results.

Look, I'm not going to say that an off-topic forum is by itself a bad idea, but it would generate far too much work for something that's clearly not needed at all. Anyone who wants to discuss off-topic stuff with FFXIV players can go to any fansite.

Believe, it's much easier to delete off-topic threads in the general discussion forum then making a whole new area needing moderation.

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Originally Posted by AdvancedWind

At least they're offending each other because of FFXIV and not because of last week's sport results.

Look, I'm not going to say that an off-topic forum is by itself a bad idea, but it would generate far too much work for something that's clearly not needed at all. Anyone who wants to discuss off-topic stuff with FFXIV players can go to any fansite.

Believe, it's much easier to delete off-topic threads in the general discussion forum then making a whole new area needing moderation.

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Not really. They reduce the number of violations they have to deal with to just harassment. It's the same principal behind the decriminalization of certain substances.

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Originally Posted by Sonic_the_Hedgehog

There are fan forums for this kind of stuff.

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So why can't the same people who play the game talk about off-topic stuff in these forums? They might not have, or can't get accounts on these fan forums. What's going to be the difference when the game (if ever) is fully fixed? people are still gonna post what they want, and that's it.

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

So why can't the same people who play the game talk about off-topic stuff in these forums? They might not have, or can't get accounts on these fan forums. What's going to be the difference when the game (if ever) is fully fixed? people are still gonna post what they want, and that's it.

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When I go to a forum I'm looking to have a conversation about a certain topic, not looking for specific people to talk to. I could careless if I get to talk politics with BelgianRofl et al.

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Originally Posted by Sonic_the_Hedgehog

When I go to a forum I'm looking to have a conversation about a certain topic, not looking for specific people to talk to. I could careless if I get to talk politics with BelgianRofl et al.

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But you like to reply to trolls all the time and shout 'troll' when you want? yeah.. mhm.

Btw the dude has some good points

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Originally Posted by Sonic_the_Hedgehog

When I go to a forum I'm looking to have a conversation about a certain topic, not looking for specific people to talk to. I could careless if I get to talk politics with BelgianRofl et al.

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Hmmm. I would kinda like to read anything he has to post on politics. Would probably be a very entertaining thread to read.

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

But you like to reply to trolls all the time and shout 'troll' when you want? yeah.. mhm.

Btw the dude has some good points

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Especially when they admit they're trolls. :)

He may have some good points to you, but to each their own. BelgianRofl is not a man of his word, he said if SE didn't post anything substantial about the game by April 16th he would quit the game and these boards, but he didn't.

Edit: Also he never posts any constructive criticism, he never explains how to make whatever he's complaining about better.

The way I see it is this: These forums are not created to take away traffic from the fansites already established, they were created for feedback on the game and a way for the devs to communicate with us the fans, easily. You want to talk sport/other games/the lastest single from Rebecca Black - go to the off topic forums on the fansites. Im beginning to wonder if some people think before posting -_-

People have opinions, don't bash them because you don't like the idea

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Originally Posted by Kidkaze

The way I see it is this: These forums are not created to take away traffic from the fansites already established, they were created for feedback on the game and a way for the devs to communicate with us the fans, easily. You want to talk sport/other games/the lastest single from Rebecca Black - go to the off topic forums on the fansites. Im beginning to wonder if some people think before posting -_-

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But this is the community section of the forums and technically not even the right place to be giving suggestions or communicate with the devs. They are here for the community to talk about stuff.

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Originally Posted by Xzen

But this is the community section of the forums and technically not even the right place to be giving suggestions or communicate with the devs. They are here for the community to talk about stuff.

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"The purpose of this forum is for players to discuss various topics on FINAL FANTASY XIV with other players." - http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Discussion%21

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Originally Posted by Kidkaze

"The purpose of this forum is for players to discuss various topics on FINAL FANTASY XIV with other players." - http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Discussion%21

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Indeed but It's a community resource and not one of the dev forums. So why not improve upon it by keeping off topic in off topic instead of punishing people for wanting to talk to their community that share similar interests (FFXIV).

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Originally Posted by Xzen

Indeed but It's a community resource and not one of the dev forums. So why not improve upon it by keeping off topic in off topic instead of punishing people for wanting to talk to their community that share similar interests (FFXIV).

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There's already a community called fan forums.

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Originally Posted by Sonic_the_Hedgehog

There's already a community called fan forums.

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I'm not a part of those communities nor do I have the desire to be. Anyone with an email account can join those. You have to have a game account to come here.

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Originally Posted by Xzen

I'm not a part of those communities nor do I have the desire to be.

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Then you're missing out on talking on your off topic forums with other FFXIV fans.

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Originally Posted by Sonic_the_Hedgehog

Then you're missing out on talking on your off topic forums with other FFXIV fans.

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I'm not interested in improving fan sites. I'm interested in improving FFXIV's official forums.

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Originally Posted by Xzen

I'm not interested in improving fan sites. I'm interested in improving FFXIV's official forums.

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Well I say the official forums are doing fine, people are talking about the game which what they should be doing unlike this thread.

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Originally Posted by Xzen

I'm not interested in improving fan sites. I'm interested in improving FFXIV's official forums.

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Discussing random stuff isn't improving the forums. A lot of developers have been moving away from off topic forums because they aren't really all that beneficial. Fan sites are actually incredibly beneficial to MMORPGs. The more fan sites get out there, the more exposure the game gets and really off topic things are best off elsewhere. If you're not interested in improving fan sites, then you have too narrow of a focus and it's not helping the game. That type of mindset drove it into the ground in the first place.