Tanks, Heavy Darklight and AF+1 not fair.

This isn't exactly a bug but I believe it's something that needs to be "fixed" in a sense. Right now Warrior and Paladin are the only two classes that wear Darklight that requires Both Head and Chest slots to be taken up and both legs and boots. This causes a problem I and many other tanks have noticed. The problem is that when purchasing Artifact +1 you CAN NOT equip it until you have obtained the other piece as well. Every other class get's to purchase their first Artifact piece and equip it but both Warrior and Paladin can't. Example. If I am wearing Heavy Darklight Armor (which is the best prior to AF+1) it takes up my Head/Chest. If I purchase my Head AF I can't equip it because I have Heavy Darklight on. I can't equip my Heavy Darklight because AF+1 + another piece isn't as good as Heavy Darklight. So in order to get the benefits of AF+1 Tanks need both Head and Chest, and Legs and boots, before equipping the artifact.

In the long run it's exactly the same amount of mythology, I understand. But it put's Warrior/Paladins 2 weeks before everyone else getting to equip their artifact pieces. They need to separate Heavy Darklight just like they do with every other class. Head, Chest, Gloves, Legs, and boots all need to be separate. It's a cool idea but it is flawed.

Mages also wear "cowl" which takes up the head slot. This isn't a bug so much as a design choice, methinks. :)

Not with Artifact and Darklight though. I understand it's a design choice but it puts Tanks 2 weeks behind everyone else in equipping their Artifact. Like I said, in the long run all is the same but for the most part it's about being relevant when end game is current.

I understand the urge of wanting to equip the finally gained piece but if you did that event with darklight I think you can keep going for few more days.

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Originally Posted by ZohnoReecho

I understand the urge of wanting to equip the finally gained piece but if you did that event with darklight I think you can keep going for few more days.

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I'm not sure if you are quite grasping what I'm saying. Since Darklight Chest armor takes up 2 slots. And it's roughly 1360?(I think) for both +1 Head and Chest Artifact. Warrior's and Paladins have to wait 5 weeks before being able to even equip 1 piece of Artifact +1. Whereas everyone else gets to equip their first piece after at week 3 and then their second at week 5. So by week 5 both are on the same page but then Warrior/Paladin has to restart the process of Legs/Boots. So tanks are behind 2 weeks 2 different times in the gearing up process.

AF2 not AF+1 and just craft something to cover that slot or just store tombs and buy 2 pieces at a time.

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Originally Posted by Arkine

AF2 not AF+1 and just craft something to cover that slot or just store tombs and buy 2 pieces at a time.

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Equipping the new Artifact piece with another item isn't as good as Heavy Darklight. Also, yes I get that you can save up and buy 2 pieces at once but that's the point I'm trying to make. You are at best 2 weeks behind before you can equip your pieces. Seems unfair for them 2 weeks unless it's on purpose to stop tanks from outtanking fights? I'm not sure.

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Originally Posted by Mags1412

Not with Artifact and Darklight though. I understand it's a design choice but it puts Tanks 2 weeks behind everyone else in equipping their Artifact. Like I said, in the long run all is the same but for the most part it's about being relevant when end game is current.

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No, seriously. Darklight Cowl--check it out in Revenant's Toll. :)

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Originally Posted by Ryuhkin

No, seriously. Darklight Cowl--check it out in Revenant's Toll. :)

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Well it's still unfair to them as well then.

The gear you buy from mythos is called "AF2" and for warrior and paladin hoplite helm + AF2 chest is better than darklight chest. Darklight only requires philo tomes and have no weekly cap. You can become a full i70 tank in a day should you chose to. It is not a waste if you get full i70 down a bunch of turns in BC and get new gear. Because you were heavily geared you were able to down a boss. Being stingy with philo is just slowing progression ultimately.

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Originally Posted by Mags1412

I'm not sure if you are quite grasping what I'm saying. Since Darklight Chest armor takes up 2 slots. And it's roughly 1360?(I think) for both +1 Head and Chest Artifact. Warrior's and Paladins have to wait 5 weeks before being able to even equip 1 piece of Artifact +1. Whereas everyone else gets to equip their first piece after at week 3 and then their second at week 5. So by week 5 both are on the same page but then Warrior/Paladin has to restart the process of Legs/Boots. So tanks are behind 2 weeks 2 different times in the gearing up process.

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Of course I got it, so?
Keep playing two more weeks as you did till then and equip it when you get both pieces. Or will your friends leave you behind because you are 2 weeks late?

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Originally Posted by ZohnoReecho

Of course I got it, so?
Keep playing two more weeks as you did till then and equip it when you get both pieces. Or will your friends leave you behind because you are 2 weeks late?

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How would you feel if next patch Puglists gear was 1 entire piece and you couldn't buy it for 10 weeks but everyone else got 1 piece every 2 weeks. In the long run it's the same, right? So what's it matter. What I'm trying to argue obviously isn't that "Oh my friends will leave me behind" it's that certain classes are getting the option to take full advantage of their AF2 whereas the other classes aren't. Right away at least.

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Originally Posted by Pixelshader

The gear you buy from mythos is called "AF2" and for warrior and paladin hoplite helm + AF2 chest is better than darklight chest. Darklight only requires philo tomes and have no weekly cap. You can become a full i70 tank in a day should you chose to. It is not a waste if you get full i70 down a bunch of turns in BC and get new gear. Because you were heavily geared you were able to down a boss. Being stingy with philo is just slowing progression ultimately.

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It is still not as viable as having 1 piece of Darklight + 1 piece of AF2. Is it a big difference? Not really at all to be honest but all of this could easily be fixed by making every class the same. 5 pieces. Not some with 3, some 5 ect ect.

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Originally Posted by Mags1412

How would you feel if next patch Puglists gear was 1 entire piece and you couldn't buy it for 10 weeks but everyone else got 1 piece every 2 weeks. In the long run it's the same, right? So what's it matter. What I'm trying to argue obviously isn't that "Oh my friends will leave me behind" it's that certain classes are getting the option to take full advantage of their AF2 whereas the other classes aren't. Right away at least.

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I'm sorry but I'm not able to grasp the issue.
Following your line of thought no more players should subscribe to FFXIV because the others are already ahead of them.

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Originally Posted by ZohnoReecho

I'm sorry but I'm not able to grasp the issue.
Following your line of thought no more players should subscribe to FFXIV because the others are already ahead of them.

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I'm talking in terms of players in equal progression. Why can't there be discussion over an obvious flaw without getting immature and offensive?

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Originally Posted by Mags1412

I'm talking in terms of players in equal progression. Why can't there be discussion over an obvious flaw without getting immature and offensive?

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I wasn't trying to offend. I'm sorry if it sounded like that.
What I'm saying is that it's not like everyone will progress at the same rate. I may able to equip 2 split pieces but, by my laziness, be able to gain only 1 of them over 2 months, while another job that has joined equip might be able to grab 3 pieces.
In the long run I don't see how this can badly affect the playerbase.

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Originally Posted by ZohnoReecho

I wasn't trying to offend. I'm sorry if it sounded like that.
What I'm saying is that it's not like everyone will progress at the same rate. I may able to equip 2 split pieces but by my laziness be able to gain only 1 of them over 2 months, while another job that has joined equip might be able to grab 3 pieces.
In the long run I don't see how this can badly affect the playerbase.

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Oh you are absolutely right. In the long run it's actually entirely even. Every class earns 300 Mythology a week (assuming they cap of course). It doesn't by any means hurt the community. The only thing I was pointing out is that because Darklight Cowl and Heavy Darklight Armor take up 2 spots technically the classes that wear that have to wait them 2 extra weeks. It's like you getting enough Mythology to buy a piece of Artifact but saving until you can get 2 and equipping them both at once. That's the only difference really. It's that certain classes get to take advantage of that piece of gear first.

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Originally Posted by Mags1412

It is still not as viable as having 1 piece of Darklight + 1 piece of AF2. Is it a big difference? Not really at all to be honest but all of this could easily be fixed by making every class the same. 5 pieces. Not some with 3, some 5 ect ect.

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This may rustle your jimmies.

I think they should never make anymore 2 piece armors. Theyre fugly anyways.

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Originally Posted by Reika

I think they should never make anymore 2 piece armors. Theyre fugly anyways.

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I dunno, this looks pretty amazing: Herklaedi

oh no, not two whole weeks! people will not be able to measure your e-p accurately at plain sight! oh no!

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Originally Posted by Pixelshader

I dunno, this looks pretty amazing: Herklaedi

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I agree it is pretty cool looking.

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Originally Posted by Majidah

oh no, not two whole weeks! people will not be able to measure your e-p accurately at plain sight! oh no!

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These are the kind of responses that are so unnecessary. What is the point of you posting that? There's obviously a flaw behind their design but there are always going to be people like you that seem to believe it's fine.