Bonus Points - Request

Currently my main class is an Arcanist, I have picked up the Summoner and Scholar jobs, it is my understanding that once new jobs are released they will also be tied to a class that may already have the bonus points tied to a specific stat.

What I would like to see is a modification to the "soul gems" that our jobs come from, Let's say you have placed 20 points into INT and 10 into VIT as an Arcanist, when you equip the Scholar Soul Gem it should convert the points from INT into MND.
If you equip the Summoner Soul Gem, no change would happen, as the "Priority" stat is already filled.

In this way when new jobs are released the soul gem would swap "priority" stats.

I'm aware that you can buy a respec but with the nature of FFXIV it seems out of place to freely switch classes but be held firmly to your jobs.

What do you think? I'm sure there are other ways to tackle this issue.
Let's keep the discussion going, I would like to hear any other suggestions.

The entire bonus points system is silly.

99.9% of players just dump everything into their primary stat (vit for tanks), and that works best for almost every situation.

So yes, I sort of agree, except just remove bonus points and give the points baseline for that particular job or class.

This is likely done on purpose to force specialization within a class

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Originally Posted by pandabearcat

The entire bonus points system is silly.

99.9% of players just dump everything into their primary stat (vit for tanks), and that works best for almost every situation.

So yes, I sort of agree, except just remove bonus points and give the points baseline for that particular job or class.

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I think what you said is mostly correct but your example Tanks has the most variation myself my tanks tend to put the most into Str. Other classes is very straight forward but tanks are the exception alot of tanks i know put a sizeable portion of their pts into str.

i am arcanist and i pump bonus on dex. skill can cri well and heal also increase when cri. arcanist is base on dot, every dot count. i put 5type of dot and every sec each dot have chance to cri. is just depend how you play.

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Originally Posted by LKa_Lich

i am arcanist and i pump bonus on dex. skill can cri well and heal also increase when cri. arcanist is base on dot, every dot count. i put 5type of dot and every sec each dot have chance to cri. is just depend how you play.

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Uh... I'm not clear on what you're saying. Are you saying you put points into dexterity to increase your critical hit chance with melee? Or to increase your critical hit chance with spells? Either way, you wasted your points.

Honestly, they should just let you have a stat spec for your class, and a stat spec for each job. Your job wouldn't get the stat spec from your class; when equipping the gem for the job, you have to spec your stats. In the case of MRD and WAR, I wouldn't spec different. In the case of SMN and SCH, I would imagine some of you would benefit this. If MRD ever got a DPS job option down the road, it would be nice to have VIT options for WAR and STR options for the DPS job option.

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Originally Posted by pandabearcat

The entire bonus points system is silly.

99.9% of players just dump everything into their primary stat (vit for tanks), and that works best for almost every situation.

So yes, I sort of agree, except just remove bonus points and give the points baseline for that particular job or class.

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That's exactly how I feel. Most classes don't really have a choice, unless you want to differentiate the right allocation and wrong allocations.

As much as I liked allocating stat points in games like Diablo 2, I think the system only works in games where you're expected to be self-sufficient and without a rigid party structure. Games where a non-tank character might actually have reason to put points into defensive stats, and enemy damage comes in more categories than 'healable' and 'instant kill'.

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Originally Posted by MrSmiley

This is likely done on purpose to force specialization within a class

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This. When they (hopefully) add new jobs to other classes, stat allocation will not be so linear. In which case I'm totally for it, as you can re-spec if you so choose. But until then, the allocation system does seem to be arbitrary, as most jobs only benefit from one stat as it is.

Which of these do you think a player is more likely to think?

"I'm going to put all my points in Int so I can be a true Summoner! I'm never ever playing Scholar!"

"You need a healer today?... Guess I could spend 10k seals..."

Have you played World of Warcraft? I think very very few people, if anyone, disliked the addition of Dual Specialization (where after a one-time fee, you could now freely swap between two specializations without having to go back to town and pay to swap). Between being able to play two specs to their full potential (if you have appropriate gear), or only being able to play one well until you spend a lot to play the other... I strongly opt for the former.

And because there's currently no good decision-making in allocating stat points for most classes, I think just increasing base stats for each class/job makes the most sense.

Mine is probably not a popular opinion, but I actually do think that there should be some difficulty in freely changing between two jobs. Given that we have access to virtually all the classes at any given moment, I think it makes sense that we specialize within these classes towards a specific job. It's not even the other job would be unplayable, either. 30 points is pretty modest at level 50, not really game-changing.

BUT if SE were to allow us to allocate stats to individuals jobs, at that point, I totally agree that they should just nix stat allocation all together, as it would appear people are only dumping into the one or two stats that would be useful to the role anyways. Unless maybe there was a cap placed on how many points could be put into one stat, but still, I imagine it would be pretty straight-forward dumping...