Do healers have a place in PvE?

This is concerning damage and FATEs.

16 times I have tried to get gold in the FATE "It's not Lupas" and I come up with silver everytime. Now I know FATEs are entirely damage based, and that of course the White Mage puts out little to none! Even in Cleric Stance. SoS cannot be used on most FATEs.

Now I realize Ethers, but the long CD on them it's just not worth it, and honestly some are upwards of 2,000g a pop is that worth it when I'm out of mana when the boss is at 80% HP still? And that's without raising or healing anyone.

Can we get exp based on HP healed in FATEs? That way I can sit and heal the tank without getting naught from the FATE.

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Originally Posted by Animation

This is concerning damage and FATEs.

16 times I have tried to get gold in the FATE "It's not Lupas" and I come up with silver everytime. Now I know FATEs are entirely damage based, and that of course the White Mage puts out little to none! Even in Cleric Stance. SoS cannot be used on most FATEs.

Now I realize Ethers, but the long CD on them it's just not worth it, and honestly some are upwards of 2,000g a pop is that worth it when I'm out of mana when the boss is at 80% HP still? And that's without raising or healing anyone.

Can we get exp based on HP healed in FATEs? That way I can sit and heal the tank without getting naught from the FATE.

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Fates are Hate based. It just so happens our damage doesn't generate a lot of hate so it will be hard to get Gold if you aren't in a group. When I am queuing for a duty I'll just toss Regen on anything I see and lots of cure IIs till I'm OOM. Works pretty well.


Feel free to Heal, it's not as bad as people make it out to be and you can get Gold pretty easily :)

(Or just join a party and lolafk to Gold)

throw bio or aero on all mobs and you will get gold everytime.

I'm a white mage myself and yes when you're not in a party it can be quit hard to get gold medal even more if it is 1 boss only as with more mobs you simply earo all the mobs and you often get gold for only doing that.
But there are other classes who have bigger problems cause they lack instant damage skills or aoe skills so think we as a healer should be the last to worry about fates. in ever had a time when leveling where I couldn't get a fate party and as a whm in fate party it is gold no matter how short the fight is.

The whole fate system doesn't work this way as it has nothing to do with fighting or healing and that is just a shame.

sadly, I have to do this every time (placing bio on every mob)

find a party, then go spam Medica in fate. Gold every time (like 2 medica + 1 bio to put you into combat). Hell, even tanks need to flash twice to get gold.

DPSes actually have the hardest job during fate :P

Of course.

I had the hardest time getting gold on that particular FATE. I tried and tried as ACN. I tried healing, dotting and nuking, just nuking and nothing. It wasn't until I was leveling WHM in that zone that I was finally able to get gold by just DPS'ing. On the longer boss FATEs you should be able to just heal, I was able to get gold on Bahamut recently by just spam healing the tank, and on smaller fates just dot everything you see. It seems to be an issue with just that FATE from what i have encountered.

Fates aren't only hate based.

There are alot of things you can do that allow you to get gold.

Tagging a boss first = Gold (You literally don't have to do anything else)
Tagging 20% of all mobs = Gold
Spamming Instants on ~ 30% of the mobs for 50% of the fate duration = Gold
Spamming Aero on a single mob till OoM = Gold

Of course you can try to heal, but that means you'll have to kite a ton of things usually.
Or you can spam other spells, but Aero is the least mana intense.

I do just fine. I've also gotten a few of the minions he drops after the FATE is over.

Just throw those instant dots.

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Originally Posted by Escalith

Fates aren't only hate based.

There are alot of things you can do that allow you to get gold.

Tagging a boss first = Gold (You literally don't have to do anything else)
Tagging 20% of all mobs = Gold
Spamming Instants on ~ 30% of the mobs for 50% of the fate duration = Gold
Spamming Aero on a single mob till OoM = Gold

Of course you can try to heal, but that means you'll have to kite a ton of things usually.
Or you can spam other spells, but Aero is the least mana intense.

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Anecdotal. I've tagged Cancer first and not pulled Gold on that fight, even while dumping a full MP bar into him.

I was solo at the time. I thought tag + full dps would be insta-gold. Alas, it wasn't. So there are some variations to the rules above.

Finding a group makes getting gold for CNJ a million times easier, and heals help out a lot too, I also didn't have too much problems spamming aero or stone.

Im confused your thing says you are lvl 50. If that is true, if its a group of mobs, run in the middle of them and spam Holy. Gold every time. If its just one mob, spamming Stone II always does it for me. I must admit before 45 I did have trouble getting gold, once I got holy at 45 though.... plus its a pretty spell :)

Group+AoE heal spam=problem solved.

I even end up tanking the bosses it draws so much aggro.... >.<

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Originally Posted by Escalith

Tagging a boss first = Gold (You literally don't have to do anything else)

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Would love to know how when leveling my ACN yesterday I tagged Cancer and DPS'd him the entire time pet as well ... yet still only got silver. Tagging doesn't mean a sure gold. hell I've tagged 3-5 mobs in fates and still not get gold before.

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Originally Posted by BrodyAlgana

Im confused your thing says you are lvl 50. If that is true, if its a group of mobs, run in the middle of them and spam Holy.

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We were discussing the Cancer fight outside Costa del Sol (Fate name "It's not lupus" or some such), which caps you in your 30s. Holy isn't any use if you can't cast it.

Even when you can cast Holy, it eats MP, has a long cast time, and other classes are going to prevent you from doing 30% dmg to a single target - usually needed to trigger personal XP gains. You can still Gold a fate, but you could have done that with concerted Stone II casts.

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This "holy isn't really great for FATE kills" issue is less a concern for us 50s, but definitely affects CNJ and the up-and-coming WHMs. Best option for them is to make a mouseover Aero macro;

/ac "Aero" <mo>

Put that puppy on your hotbar, and RUN (do not walk) towards where targets are spawning. Toss that at anything that pops; get claims. Let other people make your kills for you; focus on tagging. You'll pull down gold FATEs; you'll bathe in free XP for the kills; you will be happier than if you fought "the normal way".

It's too bad medica doesn't work outside of a party or else it would be really easy to get full participation for fates.

Aero, Tab, Aero, Tab, Aero, Tab, Aero. You'll get gold every single time without every pulling aggro. On single target fates drop an Aero then spam Stone II until it's over and you'll pull gold.

I got tired of getting bronze as WHM. So I switched to CNJ and loaded up Flash... Gold every time. FATE is really lame.

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Originally Posted by 16bitBounty

Aero, Tab, Aero, Tab, Aero, Tab, Aero. You'll get gold every single time without every pulling aggro. On single target fates drop an Aero then spam Stone II until it's over and you'll pull gold.

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I stole you this trick and now I always take gold again.
Yes I said again for a reason. I used to always take gold at lower levels, just by healing people for most of the fight. It apparently works. Then someone told me fate rewards were based on dps delivered...and trying to achieve that I started taking low rewards. I needed this thread to know how it works apparently.

I'm still not proven by anything said that we have a place in PvE as healers and not DD's. It's just not right.

SCH is my main, I did fate grind from 1-50, nothing but healing, trust me it works just fine.

As a Paladin, I feel your pain about not putting out enough DPS in these nuke heavy Fates, but then I learned that they're Hate based and not damage based so now I just spam Flash. I imagine that the same thing works for healers, just throw heals down like crazy.

The easiest way to Fate grind as a healer (or any other class for that matter) is to get your GLD to lvl 8 and get the ability Flash. Stay as your base class while you fate grind and cross-equip Flash. Just run around popping flash on everything you see. Super easy.

For the boss fates, just flash it, medica two or three times, then dps and spot heal.

For DPS that don't have good instant AE, use flash too. :)

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Originally Posted by rahvinus

As a Paladin, I feel your pain about not putting out enough DPS in these nuke heavy Fates, but then I learned that they're Hate based and not damage based so now I just spam Flash. I imagine that the same thing works for healers, just throw heals down like crazy.

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Yup. When in doubt, spam medica (*Assuming you are in a party. Or succor if you're a scholar)

It's also worth noting if you TAG a mob (so it turns red) and someone else kills it, you will get significant credit too. A well placed holy or bane can easily tag a large number of freshly spawned enemies, as well as more carefully aimed aero/bio at low levels.

If you're soloing make sure you have your chocobo out too so you have someone else to heal. I don't mind aggroing the trash mobs sometimes just so I can tank and heal as well.

1. Find a party
2. Spam Medica/Succor
3. ???????
4. Profit