47 ifrit kills, 7 garuda kills... NO SPEAR DROPPED AT ALL

OMG please for the love of this game make a token system so I do not have to bash face anymore.

(EDIT) 48 ifrit kills and 13 garuda kills, no spear.

(EDIT) Did titan in an undergeared group for relic! Win... luckily they took me.

Primal fights are laughably horrible design and will drive away a great number of players, I fully agree.

The really sad part is me and a friend both got our Ifrit weapons on our first run. He got his Garuda weapon on his first run and I got mine on like my third. But then I know some people who run it multiple times per day who've never even seen their classes' weapon drop. Maybe drop 2? Why drop 1 item for 8 peoples' work? Clearly you can't have 8 drop, that'd be silly, but 1 is kinda sad.

most of time i see book for smn drop.....

As I said somewhere else... at the moment I'm at 60+ Ifrit runs and a dozen Garuda. Never seen a lance drop even once.
I'm not able to express of extremely tired and deeply nauseated I am by this.

This is terrible design.

Needs to be returned to the v1 drop system. Where every pops a chest and takes their chances for weapons and maybe totems (1-3) at least then ppl won't need to fight for drop and u can possibly just get more to me stones for totems.

I've done around 40 garudas and never have I seen a PLD, DRG, or MNK weapon drop.

40 garudas? is this even for real?

Took me 40ish garudas to get MNK weapon, and over 40 ifrits and 40 garudas for my Marauder friend to get his Garuda axe.

I like it this way :)

PS: We farm garudas at 6 per hour in my LS, it's more effective than AK, for both kinds of tomes

go do titan, get relic weapon and gg?

I got the spear on the very first HM Ifrit I ran. Drop rates are fine, RNG is RNG.

30+ ifrits here
20 books, pala/mage weapons, and 1 monks

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Originally Posted by Prophez

I got the spear on the very first HM Ifrit I ran. Drop rates are fine, RNG is RNG.

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It's 2013, stop relying on RNG for these endgame drops. Make a chest for each party member with a random reward inside. Otherwise do what Blizzard did with heroics and add tokens for the unlucky. It still takes time to get anything but it won't be handing the weapons out like candy.

The primal fights are really really great and ifrit and garuda are manageable with randoms.

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Originally Posted by Desolas

It's 2013, stop relying on RNG for these endgame drops. Make a chest for each party member with a random reward inside. Otherwise do what Blizzard did with heroics and add tokens for the unlucky. It still takes time to get anything but it won't be handing the weapons out like candy.

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Just leave MMO's forever plz.

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Originally Posted by BrainWoodstock

Just leave MMO's forever plz.

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An intelligent, well-reasoned response.

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Originally Posted by Prophez

I got the spear on the very first HM Ifrit I ran. Drop rates are fine, RNG is RNG.

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"I got lucky, therefore drop rates are fine".

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Originally Posted by Delorean

go do titan, get relic weapon and gg?

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You mean the same titan people often expect DPS to have primal weapons for?

I wish I could get into that many groups to run 47 + , I have trouble finding groups that will take someone WITHOUT a relic !!!!

Bad luck. The probability that after 47 your weapon still didn't drop is about 0.00188095537 %.

On Hyperion DDs starts to get denied for having no relic in CM/Petro speedruns, this trend is starting to get hilirious.

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I can't think of a decent response so I'm just going to shitpost

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Yeah, you keep doing that. That's basically what all your posts have been.

so lucky to acquire ifrit's bow in 4th run, it depends on the user's luck maybe. pray harder sir. hehehe

Completed ifrit 41 times so far and still haven't even see a bow drop. Countless times a weapon drops for a job nobody is on. 0.8% chance that I shouldn't have seen a bow by now if my math is right? RNG needs to better..clearly isn't working too well. On average I should've seen 4.5 or so bows by now?

Even more bad luck, updated original post to add even more runs that no spear has dropped.

Go for the relic. I know it sucks to hear, but RNG in this game is really bad atm, thankfully they've made relics at least remove part of the gear you need to roll the dice for.

No sword dropped in my case after around 30 odds runs but i've seen around 4 spears 3 fists 2 cudgels 3 bows 1 cane 4 axes and the rest being chiefly summoner/scholar weapons...

I do think that the drops are random and not getting one's loot can be attributed to just bad luck =\

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Originally Posted by Crescent_Dusk

Go for the relic. I know it sucks to hear, but RNG in this game is really bad atm, thankfully they've made relics at least remove part of the gear you need to roll the dice for.

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The people in the party will be pissed to have one without a primal weapon on Titan.

But yeah, blame SE.

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Originally Posted by Fuz

The people in the party will be pissed to have one without a primal weapon on Titan.

But yeah, blame SE.

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Yeah, I've already seen people rage quit on HM Garuda for someone not having an Ifrit weapon

I see this a lot in games that use RNG for loot distribution.

The problem here is not the system but people's understanding of statistics, and how probability isn't a certainty but rather an estimate, influenced by numerous variables (controlled or otherwise).

In a nutshell; the theory of the relative frequency of a probability (%) suggests that the probability (%) of a given event occurring (i.e. your loot dropping) is 'more likely' to occur the the more often said event is attempted.

In Laymens terms; it's random. The more you try the 'more likely' you are to see the event occur but there is by no means a guarantee. As some have pointed out this is why token systems have become the choice of more and more MMO's these days. It's guaranteed i.e. 100% likely you will get your loot.

And really there is nothing SE can do about it.

that stupid garuda bow dropped two times in a row with no bard in the group

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Yeah, you keep doing that. That's basically what all your posts have been.

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Not really, but i dont cry because i dont get my weopons after 5 fights. I can wait and if i never get it how cares, maybe i will get titan weapon befor i get garuda.
But its always the same the game is 3 weeks old and you guys cry about loot allready, and if dont get it after 50 or 60 trys i will just craft a weapon or the could get the relict, because thats item is 100 % optainable.

But its easier to cry than work for your gear right? MMO's where smaller back than but the communities weren't little crybabies. If you dont like it just leave there are enough MMO's out there with token systems.

it's not like you're lock onto one job and will never have use of those weapon(unless everybody is stupid and just pass what's not for their current job).

It's fun how i capped my weekly myth tome repeating ifrit / garuda endless, and i saw the ifrit healer staff just ONE time, lost on a bad roll. I collected nearly all weapons except this one rofl :D

Yeah, unless you have a perfect group every time you run it, it is unfortunately counterproductive to run these fights repeatedly. I say if you don't get it after a few attempts move on and focus your efforts on AK runs (until 8 for the week) and CM runs. Do this while working toward the relic weapon. Even getting the first step of the relic weapon is likely to be a decent enough weapon to let you get through those other fights. If you have full darklight/af2 gear going for titan, minus a weapon, I am sure you will be fine. Kill it once and be done with it.

My beef with this system, you have shit RNG on the weapons, and the other option is run AK something like 65 times to get full darklight... So either it is a grind fest... or it is a grind fest... there is not happy middle. 65 times is just rediculous (imo). I am not at all suggesting they just hand everyone the loot, but if you have cleared the dungeon, making you clear is 64 more times does not make you a better player... it just means you have a TON of time on your hands.

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My beef with this system, you have shit RNG on the weapons, and the other option is run AK something like 65 times to get full darklight... So either it is a grind fest... or it is a grind fest... there is not happy middle. 65 times is just rediculous (imo). I am not at all suggesting they just hand everyone the loot, but if you have cleared the dungeon, making you clear is 64 more times does not make you a better player... it just means you have a TON of time on your hands.

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If i want to play only 2 or 3 hours a week, i can play single players or other genres. MMO'S are not ment for this typ of players, if the would make the game like that, people would be max gear in the first week.

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Originally Posted by Zerosix

OMG please for the love of this game make a token system so I do not have to bash face anymore.

(EDIT) 48 ifrit kills and 13 garuda kills, no spear.

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I had the opposite problem. 50+ ifrits and no SCH book. The only things that fell lol were spears and Summoner books. Then I got lucky and my first Garuda run I got the SCH book. yay me!

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Yeah, I've already seen people rage quit on HM Garuda for someone not having an Ifrit weapon

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Lol I healed Garuda no problem yesterday with a vendor lvl 45 book. People are just stupid and bad if they need a gear crutch. I think garuda felt bad for me and dropped my Book though my first time through.

Unlucky brah. Took me 22 Garuda kills to get my book.

Oh and by the way - I did it in AK armor and a green level 50 book (read: sucky gear). If people are raging and leaving because someone isn't geared, they suck. Garuda is easy and not a gear check.

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Unlucky brah. Took me 22 Garuda kills to get my book.

Oh and by the way - I did it in AK armor and a green level 50 book (read: sucky gear). If people are raging and leaving because someone isn't geared, they suck. Garuda is easy and not a gear check.

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ak +50 green book is totally ok for Garuda, people are ragin about guys with lvl 30 rings braclet etc... and there lvl 45 blue equip. You cant go there with that gear be it a tank/healer or dd

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Originally Posted by BrainWoodstock

ak +50 green book is totally ok for Garuda, people are ragin about guys with lvl 30 rings braclet etc... and there lvl 45 blue equip. You cant go there with that gear be it a tank/healer or dd

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Wrong. We did it as an FC last night and one shot it. Then continued to do it until everyone got their weapons. I was using a lvl 45 vendor book and the only DL i have is belt and 3 jewelry. The rest of the group has about the same gear, maybe a few AK pieces thrown in and some ifrit weapons. This is an easy mechanics fight to farm.

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Wrong. We did it as an FC last night and one shot it. Then continued to do it until everyone got their weapons. I was using a lvl 45 vendor book and the only DL i have is belt and 3 jewelry. The rest of the group has about the same gear, maybe a few AK pieces thrown in and some ifrit weapons. This is an easy mechanics fight to farm.

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So you have 4 DL peaces and the rest of the group also, why should Garuda be a problem, did you even read what i wrote. DL is way better than lvl 30 rings etc and also than the 45 gear.