After losing to Titan HM all day Im starting to see what people are talking about. That PLD is a superior tank in that fight. I was under the impresaion when I chose to lvl WAR that it coild tank anything a PLD could. My gear isnt all darklight yet. I do have some hoplite, but Ive seen PLDs win with the same gear. They take less damage and have a lot more defensive abilities AND can block. Are WARs expected to only be able to tank when they have to over gear for a boss? Everything looked balanced until P3 of Titan. What are your thoughts?
WAR Underwhelming?
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09-14-2013, 05:31 PMSyfinWAR Underwhelming?
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09-14-2013, 06:15 PMIdrael
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09-14-2013, 06:23 PMSyfinAre you laughing because you disagres or are a PLD? LolQuote:
Originally Posted by Idrael
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09-14-2013, 06:34 PMObysuca
Silly war, tanking is for pld! (Trixs are for kids) :P
You might have more hp, but you take damage like a wet paper towel, no offense or anything, but thats all the war I've seen :/ I thought of lvling it until that. War in the same gear as me, took a hit from Ifrit HM, dropped to almost 50%. I took the same hit, only took 400 dmg -
09-14-2013, 06:41 PMSigul
As far as I heard, WAR is a temporary tank until the new tank job is released and WAR will be switched to DD role, I think WAR does fit the DD burster role actually with some changes
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09-14-2013, 06:50 PMSyfinI dont even know where to begin...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigul
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09-14-2013, 06:55 PMshinros
Well according to the tanking forum warrior is only good for off tank at end game since they take too much damage compared to paladin. So I think they will get some tweaking.
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09-14-2013, 06:55 PMAsaelI believe he's laughing because you seem to have misunderstood your role as a WAR (at least that's my guess =P ).Quote:
Originally Posted by Syfin
Long story short PLD is a main tank that's meant to take damage from the heavier hitting bosses whereas a WAR is an off tank. It serves a duel role in that it can dish out damage like a DD but it can also tank to a certain extent. This is a role that is best suited to help with crowd control during boss fights with adds or trash mobs while running dungeons.
An example would be Garuda HM. PLD's soul role is to main tank and hold enmity on Garuda while WAR assists with plumes and sister peel (this way the PLD doesn't have to take too much heat). When you're not doing that you go back to dealing damage to boss with the rest of the DDs. Granted a WAR can tank a boss, but your healer has to be on his/her game with cures, and you have to keep defiance up with wrath at level 5 for the majority of the fight. -
09-14-2013, 06:59 PMLeafcore
Too many, "So, I've heards" comments and also too many "I'm not very good at this game, and so I will just blame my class because so many 'I have heard' kids told me my class isn't as good as paladins".
I doubt if you were a paladin you would do any better. Sorry I am not trying to be mean, but warriors can do everything a paladin can, except that the game will PUNISH you severely if you a mistake on warriors. Also, you need a fantastic healer and coordinate with them or else you can except failures and wipes. There are tons of terrible healers also and so they get scared and panic when your life plummets, communicate on voice over chat and coordinate so that you can recover hp super fast.
Warriors also scale better with gear, so expect to start soaring once better gear gets released. Stop crying and listening to other baddies and have fun getting better.
Edit: If you really need help in 8 mans, ask your paladins to use Cover, and then Hallowed Ground to survive boss bursts. Both of you guys will literally take ZERO damage. It's pretty awesome. -
09-14-2013, 07:01 PMSyfinSo, in other words, we have do not belong in Titan fight. We cant dps as well as a true dps class and so PTs will just use a pld and 5 dps. This is a design flaw.Quote:
Originally Posted by Asael
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09-14-2013, 07:03 PMSyfin
Lol @Leafcore. Youre ignorance is astounding.
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09-14-2013, 07:03 PMSigulhttp://www.secrets-eorzea.com/en/new...rets-of-eorzeaQuote:
Originally Posted by Syfin
Search Dark Knight, read, one of his latest interview, I don't remember which, he hinted to a new tanking job. I'm just assuming things based on what I read and hear. -
09-14-2013, 07:05 PMDukeGr
Things look pretty simple for me, WAR needs +10 lvl gear over PLD to tank the same boss more efficiently, on the other hand WAR does heaps more dps(i do 700 crits) and can manage multi-aggro situations better. Both PLD and WAR can manage to do the same things some do it better than the other and thats why we got 2 tank jobs and not 1. None is superior or inferior.
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09-14-2013, 07:09 PMSyfinSo if we need +10 gear, how will we tank coil? My problem with the way things are now is that a pt can be made of a pld dps and healer for Titan. WAR IS inferior in that fight and only brings a pt down. Basically , to get my relic I need to be carried or have an insanely good healer or be wearing ALL DL and maybe some AF2 just to be sure. Castrum here I come...Quote:
Originally Posted by DukeGr
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09-14-2013, 07:11 PMAsaelNot necessarily, WAR can still dish out a hefty amount of damage. The key is to have yourself properly geared, and to know your abilities. In Titan your role would be primarily a DD role, so here you wouldn't put up defiance (as that lowers your damage output by 25%). Also it helps if you keep Maim up as that will give you a 20% boost to damage. Heck even when I have defiance up I can still crit for well over 300, outside of defiance I'm doing even more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syfin
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09-14-2013, 07:20 PMSyfinI dont think you understood what I was saying. Thanks for trying to educate me, but my point was that we still dont do as much dps and that makes us unnecessary and eventually unwanted for that fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Asael
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09-14-2013, 07:29 PMAsaelkay, I get you, but you have to understand that's part of the balancing. You're not going to be able to dish out damage say like a DRG or BRD because you give up a little bit of that prowess in order to tank. It would be unbalanced and OP for you to be able to do both. No one is going to disband parties over a slight dps decrease, and if they do well good riddance wouldn't want to party with people like that anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syfin
Can't speak for the people having that issue, but I've tanked fights like Ifirit HM on WAR with minor issues. Though I would imagine there is going to be a point (like Titian HM) where it would be impractical for WAR to main tank. Again, at this point WAR fills into a DD role. That extra DPS can mean the difference between losing or winning a major fight. As for the, "well lets just replace war with a harder hitting DD" bit; you have to deal with the cards you've been dealt. Secondly, its still has the ability to tank on a moments notice which makes WAR really handy as a back up tank in the event the PLD goes down. WAR can survive long enough for the healer to get the PLD back up on his feet and back into the fight. Either way you look at it WAR definitely has its uses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oriachim
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09-14-2013, 07:31 PMOriachimWhat use is warrior dps if dark light warriors are getting killed fast compared to dark light paladins?Quote:
Originally Posted by Asael