Petty? (Lodestone related)

I got into a huge debate about how at higher level partying it's a good idea to wear your job. I provided a users lodestone as an example to back up my claim resulting in everyone grabbing their pitchforks to chase me down with. Ultimately ruining my intended post.

So why is it petty, I didn't want people to hunt down the person, I merely wanted to show my story wasn't a farce. As far as I know you can't even post on someone's lode or view anything without there consent. So what's wrong with showing their lode?? If someone can point me to a TOS that directly states you cannot link to someone else's I'd appreciate it..

Topic in question: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/67805...eborn/67208952

Putting someone out there like that when they haven't done anything wrong is a shitty thing to do, whatever your intentions.

i took a look at that there thread, it seems to me a lot of the posters don't realize that the Job crystal adds a non-trivial amount of stats on top of enabling the job specific skills. I've only unlocked paladin, but i can tell you at lvl 44, if you don't have shield oath, you're gonna have a bad time. Also for Paladin i lose a little over 200 HP and over 300 MP if i un-equip my Paladin Crystal and i'm betting there is a similar non-trivial effect for other classes and their jobs.

From research, looks like at lvl 44 whm's abilities are Presence of Mind (faster casting for 10 seconds but at a 300 second cooldown), Regen (150 potency with a 21 second duration at a trivial cooldown), and Divine Seal (30% cure potency boost for 15 seconds with only a 60 second cooldown). Those are non-trivial abilities for a healer, both for healing the party and for healing themselves.

That gamefaqs thread looks like kneejerk "screw you, i do what i want" BS from people who do not understand the implications of not having your job equipped at lvl 44 and/or don't get how your performance impacts everyone else you party with for the most part.

That said, posting someones lodestone and essentially pointing out how they suck is not something people respond well to. You could have easily argued your point with without naming the person, a story about how someone queue'd up without a job equipped is easily believable without pointing directly at someone.

I could have yes. But I assumed it'd have been better to have something or else I'd have been marked for trolling. I was going on past experiences which I guess in hindsight the general consensus is that I shouldn't have done it. Really if the lode wasn't as open as it is I'd have never assumed it to not be a big deal.

I think your first mistake was posting on the GameFAQ forums. Don't get me wrong, they can have some resourceful posts, but I've seen more than enough douchebaggery on there to know to avoid reading beyond the first few posts before it devolves into some childish debate.

That said, I agree with you; Once you hit 30 you should be looking at getting your sub-class up so you can get your job sorted out. I had a run with a level 44 MRD tank and it was quite painful, to the point where the DPS quit. Odd part was, I'm pretty sure he had his GLD to level 15, heh. And you also made a good point that it isn't about the individual in a dungeon, it is about the group as a whole. If he wants to 'play the way he wants', then he shouldn't be surprised when people bail on him/he keeps failing; jobs definitely give you access to some pretty amazing utility skills. (I cry a little when I help someone lower levelled on my SCH and lose a chunk of them)

Incidentally, it is generally the bad players, or the ones doing something wrong, that get worked up and start raging/getting frustrated, eventually putting the blame on everyone else.

I went through the linked thread (lot of poo slinging there). While the healer would've benefitted from being a whitemage, I'm more inclined to believe he/she was undergeared which contributed more to his/her failure than not having a job equipped. I'm not knowledgable about the WHM vs CNJ healing capabilities. Even if properly geared, I do believe the healer would've had a harder time as a CNJ. It could be done, I'm sure but definately making things harder. Same would apply as doign the fight with a GLD vs a PLD. A good player (with strong healer support) coudl likely do it, but certainly making things harder than necessary.

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Originally Posted by mythicrose

I went through the linked thread (lot of poo slinging there). While the healer would've benefitted from being a whitemage, I'm more inclined to believe he/she was undergeared which contributed more to his/her failure than not having a job equipped. I'm not knowledgable about the WHM vs CNJ healing capabilities. Even if properly geared, I do believe the healer would've had a harder time as a CNJ. It could be done, I'm sure but definately making things harder. Same would apply as doign the fight with a GLD vs a PLD. A good player (with strong healer support) coudl likely do it, but certainly making things harder than necessary.

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Not having Regen is a huge detriment, regardless if you're undergeared or not.

Doesn't matter what or how you post on gamefaqs, you're gonna get trolled. Some people just really have nothing better to do with their lives.

I'm sorry but the GameFaqs FFXIV community is quite possibly the rudest, most immature community for this game that there is. That being said, I am never a fan of public call outs of people when they are not around to defend themselves.

Point taken I've no intent to use it like that again.

Wow, just wow. I went through several pages pf that thread. I thank you for showing us this so I now know to avoid gamefaq forums like the plague. I've seen some rude idiotic posters in my day but what I just read takes the cake, by far. The only thing I can think of to compare it to is if you were to take a short bus full of particularly aggressive mentally handicapped children and put them in a room to debate the intricacies of national economic stability. I still think they would come up with more informed dialog then what I read in that thread.

People always complain about people being so bad in DF and how they blame everything on everyone else. I think the issue is on both sides, if you plan on using the DF plan on grouping with newer players, maybe even complete idiots and we should be ready to help these people learn the fights and become useful. However if you are one of those newer players and use DF then you better be prepared to deal with people that know the fights and how to play the game, maybe even better than you and you should be open to taking suggestions to improve your performance and not get butt hurt about it.

There's nothing wrong with posting somebody's character page...that's kind of why lodestone exists.

Also, the responses in that thread are asinine. The "I do what I want" attitude doesn't work once you set foot in group content. You have a responsibility to the people you're grouped with as they do to you. Not having regen is a big handicap.