Rethink Trash

I get that as developers you are probably hurting in the ass that people skipped some of your hard work. But its because you made something terribly.

So you have 2 options.

1- Make the trash not a complete waste of time. As it stands their is no bigger waste of time for all players then the trash in dungeons at level 50. It offers 0 exp. 0 money next to no items (the ones that do drop are also pretty much garbage).
A good fix would be to make a low chance for them to drop real items like gear or potions or anything that a player could use to better themselves, or they could drop money even that would be better than nothing.

2- Wait for everyone to discover a new way to exploit/ give up on the trash game full of trash that wastes time. You have a big unexpected player base don't scare them off by being dicks and wasting their time.

I get that you are trying to delay players from experiencing what the game has to offer but this is not the way to do it.

Pretty much sums it up. How any console players and casuals are going to doing AK 60+ times at an hour a run just to get the tokens to start doing better content?

Make each trash mob drop a tablet. Done.

Wow you're the very first person to suggest these things.

Only level 20 and i'm finding there is too much trash to kill. It's good to level but i can see how it'll be a pain at 50. Hopefully they'll change it, especially if you need 60 runs of one dungeon....

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Originally Posted by Melopahn

I get that as developers you are probably hurting in the ass that people skipped some of your hard work.

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Ahh yes but they fixed that by adding more useless grinding! :p

What's a perfect full run? 45 minutes max?

They can trim the trash health down 10-15%. I think that would be appropriate but I don't want to see people steam rolling it in class armor + white/random green items from the vendor.

How about scoring players for completing a dungeon, with the score being converted to tomes?

Using Castrum as an example, which currently gives 100 tokens:

Standard completion: 80 tokens
100% exploration: 30 tokens
50% of enemies defeated: 10 tokens
100% of enemies defeated: 40 tokens

Of course, the rewards would have to be altered to include more bonuses, and the actual numbers would probably have to be tweaked, but something to encourage players to really play through every bit of a dungeon while giving them adequate rewards for it would probably go over well.

Make it so each trash mob in AK/WP drops 1-2 Tombstones of Philosophy.

There, I just fixed your game.

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Originally Posted by Kiteless

How about scoring players for completing a dungeon, with the score being converted to tomes?

Using Castrum as an example, which currently gives 100 tokens:

Standard completion: 80 tokens
100% exploration: 30 tokens
50% of enemies defeated: 10 tokens
100% of enemies defeated: 40 tokens

Of course, the rewards would have to be altered to include more bonuses, and the actual numbers would probably have to be tweaked, but something to encourage players to really play through every bit of a dungeon while giving them adequate rewards for it would probably go over well.

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100% of exploration would not really work in most dungeons as you usually will get that anyway. If anything it could be for getting all regular treasure chests IMO.

Hell just with AK as an example they could do the Big dudes with swords drop 1 tome, while other mobs drop the bronze pieces or something.

They could make it so chests give everyone 5 philosophy tomes. And silver instead of bronze. They could make 2 of the chests drop jewelery just for a little extra incentive.

Bosses could straight drop more tomes of philosophy so instead of 80 a run you get 120 making it only take 43 runs of the duty. They could make the primals drop more too. Though all 3 primals are a harder fight than final boss they drop 1/5 of his tokens.

I am sure there are more options we can come up with to fix this content grind. If any of you developers need help just shoot us some PM's for suggestions we can totally help with ideas.

What I think is worse, is they have the nerve to make some mobs drop 1 gil. That's just downright insulting.

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Originally Posted by Omnislasher

What I think is worse, is they have the nerve to make some mobs drop 1 gil. That's just downright insulting.

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That did make me chuckle a little lastnight.

Yeah, they really need to rethink this "end game" stuff. I fall asleep farming AK, its that boring.

I don't mind grinding and working for my gear...but I do not like mind numbing stuff. Farming the same useless trash over and over is booooring!

Where is the open world stuff?...

I can understand a lot of people's frustrations at having to farm AK endlessly but it essence it's no different than any other MMO. Even in WoW most of us had our mains and at least one alt that we raided the same content with or did the same Heroic Dungeons with to get Valor to buy our upgrades. People rushed to end-game and exploited AK and got caught, so SE fixed the problems and now there's complaints? Be glad all they did was adjusted the trash instead of handing out bans or removal of the earned Tomes for exploitation. Someone previous said the game will fail if they don't fix everything....Well 10 years later XI still holds a million active accounts and YoshiP said that XIV would be considered successful with 500k. So most people in the Community aren't going to come crying on the forums when this game doesn't cater to the masses who want "Ease of Access" to their precious gear.

There's a simple fix for those too lazy, and that have a problem with killing "trash", spam primals for tomes. That is after all what you want, is to kill boss mobs over and over for tomes. "Trash" mobs are part of the dungeon that you already get rewarded for completeing, so stop the damn whining.

mobs dont carry gold it make sense?

Too much trash, to make it worse, they have literally no purpose. Its just pull after pull of "wasting time" there isn't even a chance of something useful for them. There is too many making the dungeon longer than it needs to be, and they need a point so their very existence doesn't feel frustrating. Make me want to kill the, not have to.

AF+1 gear was never meant to be progression gear it seems, but rather a reward for consistent participation in endgame content. Keep gives more than enough tombs. Notice how primals give like 5 and you get 50 per turn on coil. Keep gives 40 because of how much effort it takes to clear. People are complaining because they were spoiled by the exploits, not realizing they're not supposed to get AF+1 gear so easily.

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Originally Posted by Senzura

AF+1 gear was never meant to be progression gear it seems, but rather a reward for consistent participation in endgame content. Keep gives more than enough tombs. Notice how primals give like 5 and you get 50 per turn on coil. Keep gives 40 because of how much effort it takes to clear. People are complaining because they were spoiled by the exploits, not realizing they're not supposed to get AF+1 gear so easily.

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My issue isn't the rate of af+1 or mythology tombstones, the pointlessnessof the trash mobs as anything other than extending the time. They should feel even slightly rewarding to kill, otherwise they are a slog and not fun.

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Originally Posted by Senzura

AF+1 gear was never meant to be progression gear it seems, but rather a reward for consistent participation in endgame content. Keep gives more than enough tombs. Notice how primals give like 5 and you get 50 per turn on coil. Keep gives 40 because of how much effort it takes to clear. People are complaining because they were spoiled by the exploits, not realizing they're not supposed to get AF+1 gear so easily.

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No one is complaining about Myth tombs. It's the ~50 AK runs you need for darklight.